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Today I found out that kaw was offering a 750 with a side car modeled from an old russian bike .What do you guys know about it??? It has two wheel drive on demand.This is real interesting to me.I have not had the time to investigate it.What say Ye????:):eek:
 

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I don't know about Kawasaki offering such a bike, but Ural, a Russian moto manufacturer, has been selling its 750 sidecar two-wheel drive rigs here in the US for some time. They're modeled after OLD BMW R71s. Pretty nice and simple rigs, but slow and with a top speed of about 65 mph. Also has a reverse gear to allow you to back it out of parking spots. They also make a more conventional sidecar rig with one-wheel drive called the Tourist. The Ural website can be found at imz-ural.com

You can also fit sidecars to more conventional motors, including the VN750. I'm very interested in sidecar rigs and would very much like to get a new Harley or Ural sidecar rig, but can't afford any of that right now. Since my VN750 is bought and paid for, I'll eventually put a sidecar on it, probably an Escort. Why? Because sidecar rigs are very cool and lots of fun...

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Thanks gumshoe my dealer has two of these machines for sale.I am told one is 9 grand thats the single wheel drive and 10 grand for the two wheel drive.I sure would like to drive one real curious about the handling.Think I will ask to drive it.Ya never know
 

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Let me know on that since I ride a 750 with a sidecar.
I have seen royal enfields at the kawasaki dealer, but the ural or dneper are the only ones I know of that offer two wheel drive.
BTW.. $10,000 for a two wheel drive ural is high.
Ummmmm.. there is also a Chinese model CHANGJIANG 750

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Be careful with the URAL's. A friend of mine had one and it broke every other day. Spent more time in the shop than on the rode. And it was brand new.
 

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Hi, Dianna...I'm not sure from your post, but it appears that you're already sidehacking with a VN750 as the power unit. I'd be interested in knowing what type of sidecar you're using with the VN750 and whether you've located a custom mounting kit for the bike. I know of one company, Texas Sidecar, that carries a custom mounting kit for the VN750.

With regard to the $10K price Eggnog is citing, probably depends on where you're located. Here in Sacramento, CA, the closest URAL dealer is in Modesto, about 90 miles away. Price for the 2007 Patrol 2WD is $10,299 and for the Tourist (1WD), the least expensive of the URAL sidecar rigs, is $9295. The most expensive URAL rig is the military-style Gear Up, which is listed at $11,295...

Would sure like to know if anyone else here is running a sidecar rig using the VN750 as the power unit...anyone??

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One other thing...the ChiangJiangs are all used Peoples' Liberation Army motor sidecar rigs which are rebuilt by various small firms in China (to what quality standards I'm not sure) and shipped and sold here as used bikes. They are not new, like the Urals, because, at least in CA, they are not required to meet air pollution standards...I have not seen a CJ, but I suspect they're not of the same quality as the Urals and certainly do not have the same level of customer support...On the other hand, you can get solo bikes or sidecar rigs and they're pretty simple to maintain if you're handy with a wrench and hammer....

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Hi, Dianna...I'm not sure from your post, but it appears that you're already sidehacking with a VN750 as the power unit. I'd be interested in knowing what type of sidecar you're using with the VN750 and whether you've located a custom mounting kit for the bike. I know of one company, Texas Sidecar, that carries a custom mounting kit for the VN750.

With regard to the $10K price Eggnog is citing, probably depends on where you're located. Here in Sacramento, CA, the closest URAL dealer is in Modesto, about 90 miles away. Price for the 2007 Patrol 2WD is $10,299 and for the Tourist (1WD), the least expensive of the URAL sidecar rigs, is $9295. The most expensive URAL rig is the military-style Gear Up, which is listed at $11,295...

Would sure like to know if anyone else here is running a sidecar rig using the VN750 as the power unit...anyone??

Bob
I have a Velorex Model 700 sidecar on my VN750. Velorex comes with a universal mounting system. Needless to say I have the mount points for anyone looking to add a Velorex. I also swapped out the sidecar wheel for a VN750 wheel. Older models have the same 15mm axle and I didn't want the spoked wheel. Kinda nice having all the wheels match too. I'm running the sidecar with a three degree rake added to my triple trees, the heavier clutch springs and dupong krytox for my final drive spline lube. No brake on the sidecar. It's light enough where I don't really feel a need to tie into my brakes for it.
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Very nice looking rig, Dianna...also like your fairing on the bike and wonder what brand and model it is?

Sorry to hijack the thread, but I'd be very interested in knowing the mount points for the Velorex sidecar...it's one of the sidecars I've been considering. I was a little worried about the universal mounts, because the plumbing and electrical lines are a little thick around the downtubes, but it appears that you've found a way around them. Did you have the triple tree custom built with the three-degree rake, or is there a source for such triple trees? What was your experience in ease of steering the rig after you added the rake?

Any information you can provide about your installation would be greatly appreciated. You've done a fine job and have a really nice hack rig there!!

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The fairing and hardbags are part of the Tour Pac Package made by Kawasaki for a limited time. I pieced it together from ebay.
The triple trees were sent up to Canada to a place called Steerite and they added the 3 degree rake.
When we got it back and installed, it was like adding power steering to the rig!
We had some problems mounting the bike until I happened to see another Velorex mounted to a VN750 and noticed the attachments were much shorter than mine. I had bought the sidecar used and the previous owner had tried mounting it to a Goldwing. I went back to Velorex USA and ordered replacements for two of the mounts to bring me back to the universal ones and it aligns and stays in alignment a lot easier now.
Going from the 16" spoked wheel to the 19" VN750 wheel on the sidecar also seems to help in the car being leveler.
With the longer mounts and smaller wheel we had added a subframe. We could take that off after we got the universal mounts.
You won't be able to put an engine guard on and mounting any type of highway pegs is gonna be tough with the sidecar. Luckily I picked up the Fire and Steel floorboards so that helps with moving my feet around.
I sold the engine guard I had on it. I figured I sure didn't need it with the sidecar. If I go over, the guard isn't gonna help one bit!
I'd be happy to take pictures of my mount points if you need them. Also having one of those laser levelers to shoot a beam across the floor for alignment makes getting the toe-in a piece of cake.
Oh yeah.. I also added progressive fork springs which helps especially when I'm braking and I added a super brace to the forks.
It's been three years now with a sidecar and I have enjoyed every mile! (or.. every 22,000 miles I've put on it!)
 

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Chagning the wheel seems like a very good idea...I'll make a note to myself to go look for another wheel...we have a moto dismantling place not far from here and I'm sure they'll have another or one like it.

Probably wouldn't bother with an engine guard. I've seen those listed, but, as you say, if I'm over that far with the sidecar, I have more serious problems than the engine cases...

The info about the resetting of the triple tree is very good. When the time comes, I'll see if Side Striders or someone else can reset the tree. Also, the laser leveler, fork brace and progressive springs are great ideas! You've given me a lot to think about. There's a sidecarist here in the area who has offerred to let me check out his rig and to help me with mine...I'm going to see him next weekend, I think, if he's available.

Meanwhile, I don't want to burden you with photos of the mounting points...I'm not close enough, yet...may ask you when I get closer to the actual installation...

Thanks for all the super information. I can tell you put a lot of thought into your rig and it really shows!! Thanks also for being so willing to share info about it...

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I was wrong it is a ural my kaw dealer has.My friends wife fell in love with it and they are looking at buying one today.If they do i will keep everyone posted on its performance.They do alot of camping in New York and say there is miles of logging roads where they are, thats why she wants to get one.They will tow it behind their motorhome and use it for a run around vehicle once they get to the camp.They both sold there bikes two years ago when my buddy had back surgery and found out he couldnt ride anymore.He thinks this will be easier on his back.They really miss riding ,with her driving and him sitting this just may be the ticket.
 

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My buddy is not going to buy it price was 11,571 out the door.His reasons were.1-The motor sounded like it was going to break at any moment lots of loud ticking.He said it sounded like everything inside was not getting oil and was loose.The dealer told him that was normal.The russians dont hold the tight tolerences that are held on Jap bikes.2-first oil change is 50 miles Dealer said alot of junk in filter after first 50 and must be cleaned.3-riding it is like riding a dirt bike your knees are hugging the tank.The tank has rubber pads on each side for this purpose also the pegs are way back and you cant put your legs out.Getting highway pegs would not help because you have to wiggle your foot onto the break peddle going around things in the way once your foot is in, it would be tough to get it in and out while on the rode and forget about going for the brake fast.4-The sidecar is not waterproof its metal against metal where it is put together no gaskets you would get soaked in the rain and it would rust quickly.5-He is afraid he wouldnt be able to get parts The dealers in this area dont sell many of these and give up selling them after awhile our dealer sold two since January.Parts do have to come from russia.Also if you dont like the color of the ones at the shop a new one will be made for you and that takes a long time. ON a good note he went for a ride with the dealer and said it had good power sounded like hell but tolerable and it was just fun to ride for a short distance.He said if someone didnt care about all that money and just wanted to ram around for fun that would be the bike.Oh well long winded but theres the scoop I probably forgot some.It took him twenty minutes this morning to tell me about it.
 

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