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very interesting. I just don't understand novelty helmet, why not just buy a dot approved helmet since you have to wear a helmet anyways.
 

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I don't understand...what is a "novelty" helmet?
 

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thank god i live in Wisconsin!!! No Helmet required!!!
 

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I don't understand...what is a "novelty" helmet?
They're like plastic skull caps, no real padding so no real impact absorption. Google "novelty helmet."

I'd be interested to see how many of these fatalities were crotch rockets and how many were cruisers...
 

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Why the quick plug for BMW at the end?



:blah: :blah:

Oh yeah by the way, BMW is doing X...

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Why the quick plug for BMW at the end?



:blah: :blah:

Oh yeah by the way, BMW is doing X...

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Because as the article states, BMW is using anti-lock braking systems which is linked to safety. However, I bet there are other manufacturers doing this too.
 

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All of the people I know who wear the novilty helmets also ride Harleys.....
 

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thank god i live in Wisconsin!!! No Helmet required!!!
Don't know if I'd be proud of that.....did'nt Wisconson lead the country a year or two back with the most motorcycle fatalities ?

I should also point out I have NEVER seen a sport bike rider wearing a "novelty" helmet....and to be more accurate I don't think I have ever seen one wearing anything but a full face helmet, and usually a high end model.

Unless the trend has changed ... The group with the highest incidence of fatal or serious accidents is those in the 40 year old and up range riding large heavy cruisers. Even though "kids on sport bikes" seem to get more attention when they crash....they are still lower stat wise to get killed than many who are reading this now.

Those of you that traded your 750 in for a VTX, 1500, or Meanie...are almost twice az likely to get seriously hurt on it than a kid on a Ninja.

BMW was the first to put anti lock brakes on a bike.... but yes the way they worded it makes it sound like BMW is the only company (now) that offers it. Many bikes from just about every maker... including Harley, offer ABS bikes. My FJR has them, and they rock.

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All of the people I know who wear the novilty helmets also ride Harleys.....
You know thats about right, I kinda feel out of place ridin my Sportster and wearin my full face helmet when I ride with them, which is seldom... No matter though, I'll keep on wearin it...lol...
Have a good one...Old Dog...
 

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When I was researching a college paper a couple of years ago, it became obvious that the number of deaths in motorcycle accidents went up when ridership went up and went down when ridership went down. Fairly simple, no surprises there. What makes ridership go up and down? One thing that always had an impact was when a state passed a mandatory helmet law. Usually the ridership went down about 20% the next year, and guess what, motorcycle deaths dropped about 20%. Advocates of helmet laws crooned, "see, mandatory helmet laws saved lives, and I guess in a way they did, because they discouraged about 20% of riders from riding. Same thing in reverse when those laws were repealed in some states. Ridership went up about 20% and death rates went up about 20%. Once again, mandatory helmet law advocates shouted, "see, when you repealed the helmet laws, death rates went up". The one thing that never seemed to change was the death rate per accident. Whether the riders were or were not wearing a helmet, the death rate was a dead heat per accident.

So what else might change ridership? Well, gas prices, the general economy things like that also impact how many people ride and how often.

After doing the actual research myself pulling journals from college libraries instead of just reading what some politician said or some journalist wrote, I decided that helmets just won't save your life in a serious accident. They may keep you from ripping off an ear, or gouging out your eye or any number of other superficial wounds, but since most fatalities are attributed to bleed out from the biker snapping his thigh bone(s) and severing his femoral artery(ies) as he goes over the handlebars, I don't see the helmet making much difference there.
 

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So you are saying you don't wear a helmet?

Sorry but any time someones uses the word "most" I see red flags. I know of six fatal accidents where the riders died from blunt trauma, crushed organs and... a few other bad ways to go..but none were do to severed femoral artieries.
I also witnessed several crashes where the rider hit their helmet fairly hard...enough that one still had a severe concussion. It was mentioned by the doctor treating them if they did not have a helmet on, they would likely be dead.

So sure, you fly off your bike and hit a brick wall at 90 mph no amount of protective gear is going to help you....but what a fking bittch it would be to die from falling over at 20 mph...... when a helmet would have kept you living.


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I am not trying to jack this thread but one gentleman in the article hinted on my point. I want to see motorcycles accepted as regular transportation by the insurance industry and everyone else. I ride way more than the cagers do and I pay more for the privilege. They should be happy we are skilled and want to "save the planet". Or perhaps they can say..if you ride this much a year than you are a real biker...and if you ride less than 5000 miles a year then you are a "recreational biker".
 

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Don't know if I'd be proud of that.....did'nt Wisconson lead the country a year or two back with the most motorcycle fatalities ?

I should also point out I have NEVER seen a sport bike rider wearing a "novelty" helmet....and to be more accurate I don't think I have ever seen one wearing anything but a full face helmet, and usually a high end model.

Unless the trend has changed ... The group with the highest incidence of fatal or serious accidents is those in the 40 year old and up range riding large heavy cruisers. Even though "kids on sport bikes" seem to get more attention when they crash....they are still lower stat wise to get killed than many who are reading this now.

Those of you that traded your 750 in for a VTX, 1500, or Meanie...are almost twice az likely to get seriously hurt on it than a kid on a Ninja.

BMW was the first to put anti lock brakes on a bike.... but yes the way they worded it makes it sound like BMW is the only company (now) that offers it. Many bikes from just about every maker... including Harley, offer ABS bikes. My FJR has them, and they rock.

KM
I may or may not have seen sports bike riders wearing a "novelty" helmet. I can't recall. but this is what I do see sports bike riders wearing full face helmets (sometimes not always), with short sleeve t-shirts, shorts, sneakers or flip flops. most DON'T wear any more gear than a full face helmet. and some don't even wear that!
but here in Ohio, we don't have a helmet law. which is fine with me. it's a riders choice, I choose to wear one myself.
 

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I may or may not have seen sports bike riders wearing a "novelty" helmet. I can't recall. but this is what I do see sports bike riders wearing full face helmets (sometimes not always), with short sleeve t-shirts, shorts, sneakers or flip flops. most DON'T wear any more gear than a full face helmet. and some don't even wear that!
but here in Ohio, we don't have a helmet law. which is fine with me. it's a riders choice, I choose to wear one myself.
I think that is part of the problem... The sport bike riders get hurt ... Lose some skin.... But they do not die as much because they always wear a helmet.

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Those of you that traded your 750 in for a VTX, 1500, or Meanie...are almost twice az likely to get seriously hurt on it than a kid on a Ninja.

KM
Where's the source on that stat? Sounds more like a generalization than a stat to me. Not to mention a very slippery slope.

I think that is part of the problem... The sport bike riders get hurt ... Lose some skin.... But they do not die as much because they always wear a helmet.

KM
Not around here. I see more "kids" on sportbikes around here not wearing any helmet more than I see even full face.
 

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Where's the source on that stat? Sounds more like a generalization than a stat to me. Not to mention a very slippery slope.



Not around here. I see more "kids" on sportbikes around here not wearing any helmet more then I see even full face.
Here in Rochester we had 8 motorcycle deaths. Two were sportbikes because of excessive speed. The other 6 were cruisers. In this area I have never seen a sportbiker without a fullface helmet. I have never seen a cruiser with a fullface helmet ( that includes me ). Up until this year I have been riding my Nighthawk. I ride with the sportbikes one night and we go out for 2-3 hours in the country side and push our bikes hard and come home. The other nights I ride with cruisers. Their idea of riding is to ride an hour, stop at a bar for a beer ( not me ) ride a hour, stop at another bar, ride and stop again. I see this all over. You won't see many sportbikes in front of a bar but you will see many cruising bikes. Not passing judgement on anyone.



This sidebar of NHTSA statistics was included with the Rochester story. There are some very sobering numbers in here:

■In 2008, 5,290 motorcyclists were killed nationwide — up 2 percent from 2007; 96,000 were injured.
■Helmets saved an estimated 1,829 motorcyclists’ lives in 2008.
■Motorcyclists are about 37 times more likely than passenger car occupants to die in a traffic crash.
■Motorcycles made up nearly 3 percent of all registered vehicles in the United States in 2007.
■The fatality rate for motorcyclists in 2007 was 6 times that for passenger car occupants.
■In 2008, 2,387 two-vehicle fatal crashes involved a motorcycle and another type of vehicle. In 41 percent of these crashes, the other vehicle was turning left while the motorcycle was going straight, passing or overtaking the vehicle.
■One of four motorcycle riders in fatal crashes in 2008 had an invalid license.
■Forty-three percent of the 2,291 motorcycle riders who died in single-vehicle crashes in 2008 had blood alcohol levels at or over the legal limit, as did 64 percent of those killed in single-vehicle crashes on weekend nights.
 

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■Forty-three percent of the 2,291 motorcycle riders who died in single-vehicle crashes in 2008 had blood alcohol levels at or over the legal limit, as did 64 percent of those killed in single-vehicle crashes on weekend nights.
I would think this is a major & stupid problem...
Have a good one...Old Dog...
 

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Right in line with the Hurt Report (http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/hurt.html), which also found untrained riders were more likely to be involved in accidents, and their injuries were more severe than riders who had formal training.
 
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