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04-16-2009 12:56 PM
gusdaman89 Covert,
Awesome second paragraph. Thanks for that.
GUS
04-16-2009 11:20 AM
niterider
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Originally Posted by Fire Ant View Post
I think that I've said this before, but one piece of wisdom that my MSF instructor gave me, that I've used more than once to my benefit when entering a corner at a speed incompatible with my abilities, is that bikes will lean over a helluva lot farther than you think they will. Like Covert said, I've scared the "weewee" out of myself a couple of times, but came out the back side of the curve a little wiser for the experience.

--FA
I have done that several times too.
04-16-2009 09:29 AM
Fire Ant
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Originally Posted by Covert View Post
Stay constant on the gas, look ahead to where you want to go, and dang it, roll her over!
I think that I've said this before, but one piece of wisdom that my MSF instructor gave me, that I've used more than once to my benefit when entering a corner at a speed incompatible with my abilities, is that bikes will lean over a helluva lot farther than you think they will. Like Covert said, I've scared the "weewee" out of myself a couple of times, but came out the back side of the curve a little wiser for the experience.

--FA
04-16-2009 03:54 AM
Covert
Mental Prep

Rule 1 (for this topic anyway): NEVER VEER! If you see something you're about to whack, then steering around it is fine, but if you get startled by a noise, passing vehicle, flash of light or UFO or whatever- stay focused and keep your line. I learned this lesson in a car when I was being passed. The dude passing me cut it too close and an oncoming car was about to ruin his day. I saw all of this happening and hit my brakes. HE also hit his brakes. So I stomped harder on mine. So did he. See what's happening? Both of us were staying side by side, with that car coming at us the whole time. It turned out that all three of us came to a near-stop when we should have been going 60mph! Totally dangerous. Had I remained speed-stable, he would have backed off and gotten behind me, end of drama. This happened to me again two or three times before I got the message. On the track you will get passed on the left, right, underneath you, over your head- you'll be at what you consider the edge of the pavement and some dude will fly past you ON THE INSIDE like you were tied to a post and you think 'what the crap? how'd he do that?' and I've noticed the streets aren't much different. In Driver's Ed long ago, we did those simulators with the old filmstrip you follow along with. Each day we had a short lecture, then the simulator session tested our reactions to what the lecture was about. I distinctly remember Ms. Brasher saying "STAY FOCUSED!" and mentioning getting passed. When you're 15, getting passed freaks you out. On the screen, the film showed the mirrors. We were 'driving' down a dirt road, and in the mirror I saw a Plymouth Bolero (I think) with a monster dust cloud behind it closing fast. I just tried to stay right where I was, thinking if I moved he'd cream me. I certainly didn't think I should hit the brakes. When he passed, every kid in the room slammed on the brakes and swerved, and I saw error lights flash all over the place. FAIL! heh. Anyway, that lesson was ingrained, but that was being passed with no oncoming car. THAT particular lesson I had to learn the hard way a few times. Now I'm not saying getting bogus passes on the street happens as often as on the track, but since it happens at ALL, your best defense is just like everything else we face: mentally prepare for the event and have a plan ahead of time. Visualize it, daydream about it, and when it happens, if you've made it instinct, your reaction will be fluid and free of terror.

Last thing: I saved my own bacon a bunch of times with one simple mental drill. We've all been in the situation where a corner is approaching a lot faster than we think we can survive. Two options are given to us: freeze and and go wide in a panic and pray we don't run out of pavement and die, or say, "screw it" and lean that sucker over. If you're going to go out, then by crackey go out scraping your crankcase on the street, baby! Well the thing is, we've ALSO been in a situation where you're zipping along thinking you're Joe Racer Guy, and some dude blisters past you so fast you swear he's about to die, but he hauls his bike onto its side and rails around the curve and vanishes, leaving you stunned by the feat you just witnessed. In almost every case (and this is DOZENS of times) I found that I could always lean farther and make the curve. Yeah, I've frozen at the controls and crossed the line and HOLY COW and baaaaaarely had enough pavement to keep me from crashing, then one day I figured out my two choices. So I started visualizing overshooting a corner, then I tell myself, "screw it, lean it over." Over and over again. Screw it, lean it over. Screw it, lean it over. Until it's instinct. There is now no question in my mind when I go too hot into a corner. I WILL NOT do anything other than crank that bike harder over, look forward into the turn, and keep the throttle steady. Rolling off the gas will screw you up. Stay constant on the gas, look ahead to where you want to go, and dang it, roll her over! No brakes, no staring at the edge of the pavement. You WILL go through that corner like you were on rails. You will scare the weewee out of yourself, but again- remember your two choices? Panic and most likely crash, or say SCREW IT! and nail the corner. I pick survival. Then next time, maybe you'll slow down just a little more so you don't have to do any of this. But it's a mighty tool for you to have in your arsenal. Learn it.
04-13-2009 08:48 AM
Fire Ant It just seems so to me that passing on the right is a bad idea in general, given that people don't expect to be passed on the right, can be surprised when someone does it, and react in all manner of unexpected ways. Also one of the hazards of lane splitting, I guess.

--FA
04-12-2009 04:58 PM
Old Dog
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Originally Posted by hyperbuzzin View Post
But it also states you are supposed to only pass on the left. Whether this would apply to bikes in the same lane, I don't know. But, IMO, common courtesy is to usually pass on the left, not right.
If I'd have thought he was wanting to pass, I would've moved to the right side of the lane and motioned him to pass, so he knew I was expecting it.
Thats what I do also, as I always ride the rear or our group... One other thing, I don't hear hardly at all out of my left ear (no stereo) and had I have heard him I would have probably veered right not knowing he was on my right...
Have a good one...Old Dog...
04-12-2009 02:44 PM
OlHossCanada It sounds like laziness, bad manners and poor judgment to me. It seems to me that he could have flashed his hi-beam and/or sounded his horn to signal his intention to pass. (I know the odds of a rider in front hearing a stock OEM horn is slight, hence flashing the light.) However if there was a passing lane open and clear for him to use, it is unlikely that he would think to give warning of a pass on the right.

I`m glad you were not startled to the point of losing control of your own bike. Whether we are on the road or on the web, we need to develop a "thick skin" to avoid taking offence at any little thing done or said. By the same token we also need to think twice about doing or saying anything that others may take offence to. This is especially true while on the road, with so many instances of road rage being reported in the media. I just read yesterday that medical officals estimate that 1 in 10 people suffer from some sort of mental issue. So keep calm and stay aware while riding out there. The life you save may be your own.
04-12-2009 01:29 PM
Jace Bror But it sounds like this guy just rushed and didn't even give him the opportunity to move to the right so he could pass on the left properly.

Unless you are with people you know, or are part of group. you wouldn't pass people on the right unless they are okay with it. and even then you make sure they know whats going on.

It sounds to me like this guy is a jerk or a total squib and doesn't understand anything. and the sad thing is about this, is that this guy gets to drive a car. thats kinda freaky. Cuz to me if you are a good biker, you will generally be a good driver all around.
04-12-2009 01:25 PM
hyperbuzzin
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Originally Posted by shark88 View Post
There was a post a while back about motorcycle laws for each state, for instance in PA you are allowed to ride side by side in the same lane.
But it also states you are supposed to only pass on the left.

Whether this would apply to bikes in the same lane, I don't know. But, IMO, common courtesy is to usually pass on the left, not right.
If I'd have thought he was wanting to pass, I would've moved to the right side of the lane and motioned him to pass, so he knew I was expecting it.
04-12-2009 12:12 PM
bigrepp61 yeah that guy may not have meant anything by that but he just made us al looke like law breaking a-holes...
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