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02-24-2009 03:14 PM
LibertyPilot
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Originally Posted by flitecontrol View Post
Yes, it would be logical to assume the older brother would be more responsible. Too bad that wasn't the case. At least you tried, which is more than some would do.

Thanks man. I think this hit a little closer to the chest because I have a younger brother...
02-24-2009 09:45 AM
flitecontrol
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Originally Posted by LibertyPilot View Post
I know people don't realize that what they're doing is stupid, I guess I just figured its an older brothers place to step in when the younger IS being stupid and say "Hey man, that's stupid, knock it off". Too idealistic I guess. Anyway I feel like I did what I could do to stop it without causing too much harm.

Thanks for the perspective...
Yes, it would be logical to assume the older brother would be more responsible. Too bad that wasn't the case. At least you tried, which is more than some would do.
02-24-2009 09:14 AM
LibertyPilot
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Originally Posted by flitecontrol View Post
Liberty, you have to remember that stupidity is only in the mind of the beholder. Very few people do things they think are stupid even though 90 % of the population would say it's dumb. I doubt your friend really understands the danger involved. How many guys would pop wheelies with no helmet, wearing sneakers and a T-shirt if they knew they were going to eat asphalt? But they do it any way, because they think it won't happen to them.

If you look at some of the posts from us older guys, we realize we were lucky to survive some of the idiotic things we did when we were young (and really stupid)! We just hope that others get smart before they get dead/injured. My grandfather used to say "Too soon old, too late wise." As a kid, I didn't understand what he meant. I do now.
I know people don't realize that what they're doing is stupid, I guess I just figured its an older brothers place to step in when the younger IS being stupid and say "Hey man, that's stupid, knock it off". Too idealistic I guess. Anyway I feel like I did what I could do to stop it without causing too much harm.

Thanks for the perspective...
02-23-2009 01:06 PM
dutter boys will be boys, i did my share of crazy ****. if it was on a desolated road i would just drive on by unless they were putting uninvolved people in jepordy. if it was a son of mine he'd get an ass woopin' & a rev limiter.
02-23-2009 11:17 AM
Old Dog Well said flightcontrol...
Have a good one...Old Dog...
02-23-2009 10:23 AM
flitecontrol Liberty, you have to remember that stupidity is only in the mind of the beholder. Very few people do things they think are stupid even though 90 % of the population would say it's dumb. I doubt your friend really understands the danger involved. How many guys would pop wheelies with no helmet, wearing sneakers and a T-shirt if they knew they were going to eat asphalt? But they do it any way, because they think it won't happen to them.

If you look at some of the posts from us older guys, we realize we were lucky to survive some of the idiotic things we did when we were young (and really stupid)! We just hope that others get smart before they get dead/injured. My grandfather used to say "Too soon old, too late wise." As a kid, I didn't understand what he meant. I do now.
02-23-2009 09:23 AM
LibertyPilot I ran into an old friend over the weekend. I know he used to ride so I told him a got a bike. He asked what kind and I said Kawasaki Vulcan. He must have heard "Kawasaki" and thought "crotch rocket" because he told me his little brother has a Kawasaki rocket and races it down near the airport roads. Yup, he's one of them and VERY lucky I didn't recognize him. I got pissed but stayed calm so I could get some information out of him. I asked how long he, the older brother, knew about this and he said a couple years. YEARS!!!!!!!? Then he told me he sometimes goes with him and places bets. "Its FUN dude! You should come out with us one of these times!" he says. I told him he was as bad as the people racing, that he was a lousy older brother, and that he should be ashamed of himself. The younger brother is 18, the older and my now old friend is 32. I almost couldn't believe it. Not only is encouraging the endangering of his younger brother but he tried to recruit me. I feel kinda dumb for once considering this idiot a friend. Unbelievable...
02-21-2009 10:38 AM
niterider
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Originally Posted by Old Dog View Post
OHC, sounds like you came up about when I did, when I think back about all my buddies that didn't make it, I must say lucky, lucky, lucky............
It seems like 1/2 of us didn't make it, the worst I remember was when I lost 5 buddies in one wreck, mostly it was 1 or 2 at a time...
Now with the traffic etc. we probably couldn't have made it to town and back the way we drove...
Have a good one...Old Dog...
I know where you are comimg from. 70 + mph around 40 mph curves and such.
02-21-2009 06:52 AM
Old Dog
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Originally Posted by OlHossCanada View Post
Did I and all my acquaintenances abide by these standards when we were growing up. No, of course not. But some of them paid with their lives, and died much too young. All in the pursuit of having fun. Lets try to be as tolerant of each others differences as possible, at the same time striving to keep everyone as safe as possible. That`s enough of my rant today. Peace and safe riding to you all.
OHC, sounds like you came up about when I did, when I think back about all my buddies that didn't make it, I must say lucky, lucky, lucky............
It seems like 1/2 of us didn't make it, the worst I remember was when I lost 5 buddies in one wreck, mostly it was 1 or 2 at a time...
Now with the traffic etc. we probably couldn't have made it to town and back the way we drove...
Have a good one...Old Dog...
02-20-2009 11:33 PM
flitecontrol
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I think far too many of the younger people in our society are raised with an attitude of entitlement, with no thought of responsibility. I wonder how many of these "kids" that LP encountered, bought and paid for their crotch rockets with their own money, earned by working at part time jobs after school or on summer holidays. My guess is that it`s not very many, as it would take a lot of hours flipping burgers to save enough to buy a new one, and most won`t settle for a used bike. My guess is that most of the time it is mom and dad shelling out the big bucks for their teenage sons bike.

I have known parents, who`s child wanted an expensive racing or mountain style bicycle. The parents could have afforded to just go buy it for the child, but did not. They knew that a person values a possesion more if they have to work for it. One young man, about 8 years old, worked out a deal with his parents to pay the balance on a $200 bike (this is in 1980`s dollars)if he earned $40 by doing extra chores around the house and for others in the neighborhood. He worked a couple of months, earning a dollar or two at a time until he had saved the agreed to $40. He was proud of the bike and took good care of it, and was very careful not to scratch or break it, or leave it laying around like so many of his friends did.

I think that if these "kids" who were out racing, had to ante up one, two or three thousand of their own hard earned dollars for a bike, they might be more careful, if they thought there was a possibility it would be impounded if they were caught racing. I know their lives should be valued more highly than any possesion, but too many are pumped full of testosterone and feel ten feet tall and bulletproof, that it won`t happen to me.

I think the parents have a responsibility here also, to know who their offspring are riding with, and where they are going, and what they are doing. I know it will not be easy, and the kid may resent the supervision and view it as intrusion or interfering with his life or freedom. If a parent doesn`t get satisfactory answers to any of these questions, I say it is their responsibility to restrict or deny driving/riding privileges until they do get satisfactory answers. As long as a kid lives under his or her parents roof, they live with their rules. If they want to be treated as a mature adult then they need to learn to act like one.

This may not be universally accepted, even here on the forum, but I would like these 17 and 18 year old young men to live long enough to grow up to be 30, 40, and 50+ year old husbands and fathers. If they have to race, lets help to find a track where it is legal and as safe as we can make it, while still having fun. Did I and all my acquaintenances abide by these standards when we were growing up. No, of course not. But some of them paid with their lives, and died much too young. All in the pursuit of having fun. Lets try to be as tolerant of each others differences as possible, at the same time striving to keep everyone as safe as possible. That`s enough of my rant today. Peace and safe riding to you all.
Well said, OlHoss.
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