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10-25-2011 04:01 PM
Ndr Thanks for the input.
I picked up a newer wheel on ebay in nearly perfect condition for super cheap, so solved that problem however, after a close look at the wheel, I concur that a good cleanup is really all it needed (I just couldn't pass up the deal on the wheel that came with a nearly brand new tire)
As far as the swing arm removal goes, the bike has already been degoated, so it simplifies things a bit. Look at the bike, it seems that once the wheel is off, i should be able to pull the swingarm off without touching the exhaust, but then, i haven't tried to remove it again yet, and likely wont until I need to lube the drive splines again. as much of a stickler as I tend to be for maintenance, everything does seem to check out OK to not worry about it.
10-25-2011 03:37 PM
VN750Rider/Jerry It is almost unheard of for a rear brake drum to wear out on a motorcycle, because about 90% of the braking is done by the front. You will need to remove the wheel again, and pull out the brake assembly to see what is going on it there. If nothing looks broken, but it is really dirty and corroded, you will need to take things apart and clean them until they are spotless. You can use sandpaper, a sanding sponge, or plumbers cloth to sand the inside of the drum until it is bright and shiny everywhere. Remove the shoes and check them. If they are pretty worn, I'd replace them. If not, clean them up really good with brake parts cleaner and a parts cleaning brush, sand the friction surface to remove any glazing, and also sand the pivot point on one end, and the flat surface where the cam goes on the other until they are completely free of dirt and corrosion. Do the same thing to the pivot pin, and the cam. Remove the cam and sand the shaft until it is clean and shiny, then find a wire brush to clean out the hole in the backing plate.

Simple Green is a good all purpose cleaner for the wheel, and the nasty black mess you are likely to find inside the brake assembly. Use it full strength from a spray bottle. Again, get everything clean and remove all traces of corrosion.

Now that it is all clean, get some high temp silicone grease (or plumbers grease) put it on the cam shaft, and in the hole in the backing plate with a Q-Tip, and install the shaft back into the hole. Now put some grease on the pivot shaft and the flat surfaces of the actuating cam, and also on the shoes where the pivot goes, and where they fit against the cam. Don't get any grease on the shoes. Reinstall the shoes. Install the arm on the cam shaft on the outside of the backing plate. Now test everything for prober operation to make sure it is not sticking or binding somewhere. If it is, find out where, and fix it before installing the wheel.


As for the swing arm, That is not as easy as it should be. And probably not necessary. I have 70,000 miles and have never had the swing arm off. But my bike was bought new, garage kept, and seriously overmaintained. It is dusty (this is AZ), but has no rust or corrosion anywhere. Cleaned up it would look new. I do the splines every 10,000 miles, and check, clean and lubricate the rear brake at the same time.

With the wheel and shocks off, move the swing arm up and down, and try to move it side to side. If it moves up and down with no resistance, and you can't feel any side play in it, I'd leave it alone. If I ever do have to pull my swing arm for those reasons, I will be installing new bearings anyway. Unlike the splines and the wheel bearings, there is nothing urgent about the swing arm bearings. Just check for play whenever you have the rear wheel off, which should be about every 10,000 miles.

The swing arm can be a pain to remove for two reasons. One, the goats belly and mufflers have to come off first, and that in itself can be a frustrating job. You usually wind up having to at least loosen the header bolts at the engine, and everything will be stuck together. Once you get the exhaust system off, then you have to remove the side plates, and pull out the pivot pins, which are usually also stuck. The bolt required is a common metric bolt, not sure of the size. Many bolts of that size are used on the bike.

When you finally get it off, then you have to get it back on, and that is even less fun. You have to set the clearance between the swing arm and frame on the left side. I used a KLR650 valve shim of the correct thickness when I did it on my first Vulcan, but it can be done other ways. You can use the right combination of feeler gauges, or you can find something, like a washer, that fits right before you remove the swing arm, to get it put back the way it was. Certainly not rocket science,, but quite frankly I'd rather pull the engine out of a car.
10-17-2011 01:29 AM
OlHossCanada
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Originally Posted by Ndr View Post
I haven't pulled the rear wheel again yet, but had a few questions.
I notice while cleaning everything on the wheel the first time that it look pretty nasty. lost of rust in there. I didn't go too rough with the cleaning because I didn't want to gouge anything out or leave any big scratches.

If the drum is too worn (too wide of a diameter?) or upon further inspection, the rust/pitting is too bad: What are my options?

can a new insert be pressed in, or am I looking at a new/replacement wheel?

Also, what would be a recommended tool be to measure to see if the drum is in spec? the only measuring tool I have is a 6 inch slide rule type caliper.
Any garage that does brake work will have a large caliper to measure the drum diameter.
If the drum is worn beyond specs it cannot be relined, but the whole rear wheel must be replaced.

Where is the corrosion/rusting/pitting on the wheel?
Internal on the brake hub, or the drive side with the rubber damper?
Or external on the rim and cast spokes?

The wheel is cast aluminum, so rust would be limited to any steel or iron attachments.
Aluminum corrosion, I believe, will be cleaned quite effectively with emery cloth and some WD-40 or the like type of lubricant.
10-17-2011 12:47 AM
Ndr I haven't pulled the rear wheel again yet, but had a few questions.
I notice while cleaning everything on the wheel the first time that it look pretty nasty. lost of rust in there. I didn't go too rough with the cleaning because I didn't want to gouge anything out or leave any big scratches.

If the drum is too worn (too wide of a diameter?) or upon further inspection, the rust/pitting is too bad: What are my options?

can a new insert be pressed in, or am I looking at a new/replacement wheel?

Also, what would be a recommended tool be to measure to see if the drum is in spec? the only measuring tool I have is a 6 inch slide rule type caliper.
10-16-2011 11:54 AM
Ndr Thanks!!
10-16-2011 01:54 AM
OlHossCanada Sounds like the brake shoe actuating cam is sticking when the brake pedal is released.
You probably need to take the rear wheel off, pull the brake shoes out and thoroughly clean the brake housing and cam.

Check brake shoes and drum for wear or deep scoring.
Measure drum diameter and check against maximum specs allowed.
Relube the cam with with a bit of moly lube or high temp brake grease.
If the return springs are worn or stretched they need to be replaced.

The Clymer service manual says you need a 5 mm bolt to pull the swingarm pivot bolts, but does not specify thread pitch.
My tap and die set has two choices- 0.8 or 0.9 mm.
10-15-2011 09:37 PM
Ndr
Rear brakes sticking + Swingarm removal

I'm having some issues with my back brakes sticking. front pedal is working properly. however, when the pedal is pressed and then released, the brake arm on the rear drum stays forward keeping the brake pads tensioned aginst the wheel.

So far, I've sprayed some WD-40 on the shaft that moves the brakes (on the outside of the wheel)
I had the wheel off to lube the drive shaft, but I was hesitant to spray anything on the inside of the brake drum.

The pads themselves seem to be in OK shape.
any ideas on how to fix this?


Second, due to the age of the bike and not knowing it maintenance history, I would like to get a look at the swingarm bearings and relube them.
Can anyone tell me what size bolt and thread pattern I need to get to be able to pull out the metal cylinders holding the swingarm in place?

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