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04-08-2009 12:05 AM
wkrizan Another option that you might want to consider trying is getting a mustang seat from another bike (Harley's) there will be some modification needed but not alot and they look great on our rides. I see them on Craigs List all the time for cheap. Just a thought.

Peace
04-07-2009 03:41 PM
jabarry
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Originally Posted by Jace Bror View Post
braggart...
Nope, just trying to help out anyone with a similar butt type. Not that I know msh1156's butt type or that of anyone else for that matter.


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Hmmm. What are you wearing?
Leather, Kevlar and denim. Agrrrrrrr!

Oh, and the Corbin lowers you relative to the bike an inch or so.
04-07-2009 12:30 PM
skalding Hey O.Dog,

Here's my beaded seat theory. What we really need in a seat (IMOP) is something that:

1) puts your feet in an ergonomic position "under" you, where the feet can support some of your weight. Knees should not be parallel (or higher than) your sitbones.

2) distributes what weight there is left over a broad surface area with no pressure points (i.e., no buttons, ridges, etc.)

3) breathes well enough to keep you cool.

The first two are easy to do with basic seat mods. However, if you alter the seat to get more cradle, and/or pull the buttons and the thigh chafing ring, it ends up comfortable enough, but it's also like wearing a huge leather diaper. Older stock seats just get that way anyway as the foam starts to lose its compression and you sink into it.

Theoretically, you could get breatheability by perrforating the seat somehow. You'll notice that old tractor "bucket" seats have those perroforations, but it's Much harder to do with foam core seats.

The next option is to texture the top of the seat to allow airflow underneath you. The beads basically do that. (And sheepskin does as well I think, but I've never tried it.)

Think of the beads as a lot of small tubes. Air flows through and between the tubes. This cools you off and keeps your seat temp and humidity the same as your thighs or front area. (If you're drowning in non-breatheable pants, the beads aren't going to help much.)

To get airflow, you do have to make sure the beaded pad extends all around your sitting area on the seat. Imagine just putting a 2 inch square area under your butt. It wouldn't improve breatheability since the tubes can't connect to the outside air. If you've gelled the seat or if you're very heavy, the beads can "sink" into the foam/gel, then you've got the same problem - you're getting nothing with airflow. I'm not sure how those Walmart "waffle" pads work. I'd guess they'd be good at removing pressure points and spreading out weight, but I'd be a little worried about creating closed pockets of heat/humidity between the seat and myself. The point is to get air flowing through there.

If you do have the bead pad's leading edge catching air, you should get some flow under the pad. And while it's not like standing up and letting the wind cool you, it should be similiar to an extent.

I suppose if you cover a lot of surface area with your seat (how's that for diplomatic?), you could possibly cut away some of the foam to make some kind of air channel to run under the beads. Maybe a very shallow "Y" groove to catch air and funnel it back?

Here's an idea I've been toying with: how about an air scoop (between headlight and fairing?) with tubes leading out of it. You could run the tubes to anywhere you need airflow - say under a seatpad, or to the R+R. I don't think it's ultimately pratical, and I relocated my R+R anyway, but it's fun to brainstorm ideas. (Another wacky one was to use the same kind of "scoop" to power a charging system as a backup to the R+R - don't think it would make enough power for much though, so I was thinking of running that wind driven charger to an aux. battery and then running some accessories off it the battery?)

As far as the "softness" issue of the beads goes, there's a happy medium. On a stock seat the beads should depress enough to even out pressure points, but have enough "cushion" not to be uncomfortable. You don't want the beads sinking "into" the seat though, so if you've gelled or softened the seat somehow, you might want to consider firmer foam.

I've done long all day trips with and with out the beads. With the beads is completely better. No ache, no soreness, no dampness or chaffing.

More later maybe.
04-07-2009 11:48 AM
LibertyPilot Yeah, I'm the one waiting on the saddleman seat. I actually just e-mailed the guy yesterday and asked for an estimated ship date. He said everything in there production line is running smoothly so I should get the seat in the originally estimated time of 3 to 5 weeks from the date of order. Then he told me that to supply an estimated ship date would only be guess work on there part. Uhh, isn't that what an "estimation" is? C'mon dude.

Anyway, when the seat finally gets here, the review will be in the "equipment" section.
04-07-2009 10:01 AM
Old Dog
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Originally Posted by skalding View Post
And get the wood beads. Cut down a car seat one and use some twine/fishing line to thread the new seat closed. (actually thread the seat *then* cut away the rest.) You'll love it - no pressure points and air circulates under you. No more swamp-ass feel on hot days.
Hmmmm...Very interesting, I have that problem and would like to hear more...
Thanks and have a good one...Old Dog...
04-07-2009 09:06 AM
skalding I'm working on my seat as well. Having fit a lot of bicycles, I can say that the relationship (angles and distances) between feet/butt/hands are very important. On a motorcycle, your feet can take a lot of your weight, easing the ride. I'm planning on going "floor up" and putting boards on the bike. Once I have that, I can figure out how much I have to pad/cut the seat to make my sitting posture align with the pegs. Then I'll deal with the handlebars last.

Sometimes the solution isn't the seat, per se, but what the rest of your body is doing in relation to it.

**

And get the wood beads. Cut down a car seat one and use some twine/fishing line to thread the new seat closed. (actually thread the seat *then* cut away the rest.) You'll love it - no pressure points and air circulates under you. No more swamp-ass feel on hot days.
04-06-2009 09:08 PM
weh44att I tried the wood beads for a more comfortable ride and it really didn't help. It just keeps your butt a lot cooler on those really hot days,lets the air circulate under you.
04-06-2009 05:41 PM
John Brisson I purchased a gel seat pad that had the memory foam padding and it made me sit higher and I was somewhat disappointed because I didn't notice that much of a difference execept my butt still hurt on those long rides.
04-06-2009 05:14 PM
JWenhart The seat is the reason that the Vulcan 750 has such a small gas tank. You have to stop every so often and give your A$$ a rest from sitting on that seat.

On my long rides, when i stop for gas, I also make it a point to get a drink (soda, water, jucie, etc). The added time after filling up get the circulation back into my butt and legs, I get refreshed and have the energy to ride another tank of gas out.

Works perfectly for me. I almost think the engineers planned it that way when they put the midget tank on the bike.
04-06-2009 05:09 PM
msh1156
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Yes, it looks like you are. So really, stop bitching about it and just do something..... KM
Bitching doesn't cost anything and that's all I was really doing.
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