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post #1 of 46 (permalink) Old 06-18-2012, 09:02 AM Thread Starter
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New Helmet Requirements Coming?

Just read this news article from the CDC entitled, Motorcycle Helmet Laws Reduce Deaths. I can see it now... the Obama administration is going to push for mandatory helmet laws because what they want is more important than our freedom.

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No, what they want are less riders getting killed.

Freedom has nothing to do with it.


And this was already discussed here:
https://www.vn750.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21977

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What a stupid flawed study. If you use their figures it is SAFER NOT to wear a helmet. Using their figures 57.5% died wearing a helmet and 42.4% died not wearing a helmet. More government BS.

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^That's a great job of skewing data. Am sure all the anti-helmet folk will enjoy using it.

The study was not comparing the overall fatalities of helmeted riders (which make up the larger group of all riders) to non helmeted riders. What they are saying is out of all motorcycle deaths, states that have helmet laws only account for 14% of them... Meaning states with no helmet laws account for 86% of all motorcycle deaths.


Now just from that, what do you think that seems to say?

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^That's a great job of skewing data. Am sure all the anti-helmet folk will enjoy using it.

The study was not comparing the overall fatalities of helmeted riders (which make up the larger group of all riders) to non helmeted riders. What they are saying is out of all motorcycle deaths, states that have helmet laws only account for 14% of them... Meaning states with no helmet laws account for 86% of all motorcycle deaths.


Now just from that, what do you think that seems to say?
Not skewing data, only using theirs. They seem to also assume that the riders in states with no helmet laws are ALL not wearing helmets. That is not the case. They also do not take into account the number of registered bikes in the no helmet law states compared to the helmet law states. This study seems to have been done by a 10 year old but I'm sure it was done by someone getting a healthy government grant and has never been near a motorcycle. We should have the choice to wear a helmet or not.

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I'm guessing either your joking or you just "math challenged". You can't say 57.5 percent of riders died because they wore a helmet and 42.4 died because they didn't unless you can show that exactly 50% of all riders in the US wear a helmet and 50% don't. (your numbers don't even add up to 100%...)

Assuming your NOT retarded, let me give you an example of your faulty math here.

Let's say you , a man, move to a small town. After getting there, you find out that 80% of the folks living there are women. Using your logic, I should be able to say that there is a 8 out of 10 possibility that you have the ability to become pregnant.

The fact is there is a zero percent chance you'd ever become pregnant. Right?

Your using the same logic to say because more riders in the United States wear helmets that the odds are more likely that you'll die because you wear a helmet.

Another case of "skewing data" .... Sorry, but you did.

It's been shown that in states with NO helmet laws, about 79% of riders don't wear a helmet. (this figure from the National Highway folk) compare that to 100% of riders in helmet law states that wear a helmet.

If only 14 percent of ALL fatalities occur in states with
Mandatory helmet laws, then 86 percent of all deaths in states with no helmet laws then that can only mean two things:

The states with no helmet laws are just intrinsically more dangerous.
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That there's a higher chance of dying if you don't wear a helmet compared to if you do.

Several studies over the past 20 years have seemed to point to the fact that there's a 37% better chance of surviving a motorcycle accident if you are wearing a helmet as opposed to not wearing one. This recent study seems to not only support this , but show that that number might be on the low side.

Please let folks with actual understanding of statistical analysis do the math and keep your well intended, but wrong, interpretations of data to yourself.

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^^^ I am very far from math challenged. If you don't like their figures argue with them. I'm using their figures as they stated them. I think you are the one with the problem interpeting the data because you don't like the data. Let people do the math and they can decide how to interpet the study.Get off your bandwagon and let people make their own decisions on helmets and other safety equipment. I guess you are one of the liberal a-holes who want government to control everything and everyone.

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I think this just goes to show that 67.2% of all statistical data is completely made up.

The fact is that statistical data can be interpreted (skewed) in a variety of ways. That is an inherent problem with statistics. You can find a way to make almost any data support a particular point of view.

Putting aside the data in the study and whether they are wasting money or not, and also putting aside whether everyone should have the choice of wearing a helmet or not, common sense tells me that hitting your head with a helmet on will do less damage than hitting your head without a helmet on. Should everyone have to wear a helmet because of that "common sense", no. Riding a motorcycle is dangerous in and of itself...so what's the real difference if you wear a helmet or not?

You can still get her pregnant if you wear a rubber and she is on the pill. The only way to ensure you won't get her pregnant is to keep it in your pants. There's only been one reported case of that not working.
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I think this just goes to show that 67.2% of all statistical data is completely made up.
I was just wondering what statistical study showed that 67.2% data mark. lol

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