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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 01-10-2007, 02:22 PM Thread Starter
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De Goat confusion

Hi All:

I've been reading the Vulcan verses and all the posts about De-Goating, but when I click on the link to the Gadget's explanation of de-goating, its not for a VN 750 but for a classic, nomad or drifter.

Then when i checked out the scooterworks website I couldn't locate any kind of a "kit" to be used for de-goating.

Am I looking for more than I need? I saw Artman did the whole thing for $19.00 - Can I just rip out the goat's belly and simply connect the pipes together w/ the flex pipe and be done w/ it?

Sorry to waste yr time, but I just thought the info would be more obvious.
Sometimes i feel more like a tool than using one.
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To answer your question, yes. You can just rip it out and connect the pipes with flex tubing.

I did and was very unhappy with the performance afterwards. Lost in my opinion too large an amount of power.

I have since shaved the ears and put on aftermarket pipes and most important, rejetted the carbs. Bike runs better than ever now.

I can't say for sure, but if you degoat only, I think rejetting the carbs may help to bring back some of the power lost.

Remember, the premuffler is essentially an expansion chamber and crossover allowing each cylinder to see 2 mufflers instead of one, so back pressure will be higher without the premuffler, hence, poorer performance.

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I did the scootworks kit and liked it, I also drilled out the mufler and removed the screen which lowers the backpressure. I did not notice any loss of power.
http://207.126.53.131/swcart/shop.cg...168466056.4301
Here is the link to the kit, yes you can just use flexpipe but I liked the steel pipe.

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Now we're talkin!

Thanks a lot for the link and the info. My VN is an oldie 1986, but only had 13K on it when I bought it. I put 20K on it in 3 years with no R/R or stator probs, but all the de-goating talk started making me worry and it looked like a pretty easy solution the the heat problem.

I agree, I think the scootworks kit looks like the way to go.

Many thanks.
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To answer your question, yes. You can just rip it out and connect the pipes with flex tubing.

I did and was very unhappy with the performance afterwards. Lost in my opinion too large an amount of power.

I have since shaved the ears and put on aftermarket pipes and most important, rejetted the carbs. Bike runs better than ever now.

I can't say for sure, but if you degoat only, I think rejetting the carbs may help to bring back some of the power lost.

Remember, the premuffler is essentially an expansion chamber and crossover allowing each cylinder to see 2 mufflers instead of one, so back pressure will be higher without the premuffler, hence, poorer performance.

Jon
wouldn't the back pressure be lower ?
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wouldn't the back pressure be lower ?
With the premuffler, each cylinder sees 2 mufflers, without it, each cylinder sees only one muffler. More back pressure with one muffler than two. Also, the premuffler is an expansion area so each pulse from the cylinders has room, more so than just a 2 " diameter pipe.

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I do know that Beavis welded a cross over pipe to his de goat and according to him, it helped with the lost low end performance that seems to be normal when degoating.

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I do know that Beavis welded a cross over pipe to his de goat and according to him, it helped with the lost low end performance that seems to be normal when degoating.
I was about to get a cross-over made for mine when I took it completely apart and wound up with new aftermarket pipes.

Guy wanted $ 100 to fabricate a cross-over that would have mounted in where the premuffler was. I am sure this would have made a big difference.

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I was given a "H" pipe and it worked great--no loss pf power, much throatier sound, and the goats belly is gone. If anyone needs a almost new goats belly it is yours for the shipping.

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H Pipe

Has anyone ever measured the goat's belly for H-pipe construction and posted it in the Vulcan Verses? What a wonderful thing that would be....

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