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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 02-10-2011, 11:53 PM Thread Starter
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OEM Oil Filter - wrong size?

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I went to change the oil on my bike (1989 VN750) last weekend and noticed that the filter I got at the local dealer (Kawasaki filter) seemed to be smaller in diameter than the one that was already on the bike. I brought the one that I took off the bike in with me, along with the one they had given me, and asked the guys at the part counter if maybe they had given me the wrong one.

They said that the one I brought in - the one that was on it when I bought it - looked way too big, and that it appeared to be from a Mule or something. I asked them if they were positive that the one they had given me was ok to use, and they said it was.

So I went back home, and put on the smaller one. It went on ok, although it seemed like it rubbed up against the 3 bolt heads that are on that side of the engine a little bit.

Has anyone else out there experienced this? Is there a chance that the filter the dealer lists for the bike is not correct? It seems like as an authorized Kaw dealer, they would know which one should work. But it seems strange that it was smaller than the one that was on there.

If anyone has any insight or wisdom they can share about this oil filter situation, I would sure appreciate it. I just don't want to do anything that will harm, or shorten the lifespan of my engine.

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Part numbers or pictures of each would help the most. Without that, it's just pure speculation.

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Ecccchhh...! Another "oil" thread.........

Most of the rest of us here have had really good luck with the sizes listed on the following chart:

http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo...tml#OilFilters

Compare what you've been told to what's on the chart (as of this writing, anyway), and then you can decide for yourself if the local dealer parts counter is clueless....or not.

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There are two different lengths of oil filter available for our bike from kawi. either will work. Alot of us have moved to the $3 wally world filter. I've been using it for a while now. No complaints. Part # 7317
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Thanks Canuck!

I appreciate the answer. As for listing the part number, all of the identifyinhg iformation that was on the filter that was on the bike when I bought it had worn off - the guy at the dealer and I both tried to find some kind of indentifying number and couldn't.

I apologize if there have been a number of questions on this already. I did a search on the site, and was not able to find any other posts/threads that spoke specifically about the fitting of the oil filter - hence, my question.

I will just stick with the Kawasaki filter they gave me for now. Come next oil change, maybe I will check out the one you mentioned canuck. Thanks for the helpful info

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When I changed the oil filter on my bike, I had a similar experience . The rim of the filter rubbed on some bolt heads. I used the filter anyway because it didn't leak and have had no problems. I would say that since the oil pressure switch is located after the filter in the oil flow circuit, as long as the oil light never comes on, it would probably be ok. Next time I change it though, I will be looking for the filters referenced in this link.

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Honda, Kawi and Yamaha oil filters all have the same thread size 20 X 1.5 mm.

According to another website that I don`t recall at this time, Suzuki uses a proprietary thread size that only fits filters they sell. There is no high performance filter available to fit that thread. There is an adapter plate available somewhere to convert a Suzi to the same filters the other Big Three Japanese bikes use.

Here is a little more info on the vn750 oil filter and mounting plate.

Quote:
Oil filter
- '85-'94 = larger size 2.95" diameter
- '95 up = smaller size 2.76" diameter


Oil filter (mating) plate
- '85-'93 = 13169-1921 = 2.95" (75mm)
- '94 = 13169-1921 = 2.95" (75mm)
- '94 = 13270-1170 = 2.76" (70mm)
- '95 up = 13270-1170 = 2.76" (70mm)
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I went to change the oil on my bike (1989 VN750) last weekend and noticed that the filter I got at the local dealer (Kawasaki filter) seemed to be smaller in diameter than the one that was already on the bike. I brought the one that I took off the bike in with me, along with the one they had given me, and asked the guys at the part counter if maybe they had given me the wrong one.

They said that the one I brought in - the one that was on it when I bought it - looked way too big, and that it appeared to be from a Mule or something. I asked them if they were positive that the one they had given me was ok to use, and they said it was.
I think most Kawi dealers are looking for ways to cut down on the cost of parts inventory, so only stock the superseding part if possible. Because the smaller filter will fit and work on more/most/all(?) Kawi bikes, even if it is not the most efficient, that is the one they stock. IMHO.

I thought I read sometime ago that the larger diameter filters would still fit on the smaller mounting plates of the `94/`95 and later models.
That doesn`t make sense to me, but can anyone confirm or deny this perception?

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The 750 Vulcan uses the same oil filter as a 2005 4cyl Honda Accord... which uses the same filter as a 1998 Nissan Maxima... and many others.

I used to have a Maxima, now have an Accord, and the filter for all three vehicles is the same. I use the Mobil 1 M-110 filter on the bike. It's a high quality filter, and is also black.

One thing I noticed, was that I had to 'burp' the filter. The oil pressure light didn't immedietly go off when the bike was started after the oil change, as it seemed like the pump was vapor locked or something... so with it idling, I carefully backed off the oil filter a tad to allow it to prime, oil went flying a bit, I tightened it down, and all was good.

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Spline Lubed front/rear
ignition pickups gapped
AGM Battery
Relocated MOSFET R/R
Coaster Mod
Pilot Screws at 2-1/4 turns
Slipstreamer S-08 Windshield
F&S Saddlebags/Mounts
Luggage Rack
12V Outlet
Mustang Seat
sissy bar
Oversized Pirelli Front Tire
6k miles

PW50, XR50, TTR90, XR100, DT175 (2-smoker), CRF230F, XR250R (dual sported), XR400R 4 KIDS, LOL!

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i had a similiar experiance when i bought my 94 previous owner had a emgo filter on the bike and i purchased a fram from advance auto when i compared the two the fram housing was much smaller than the emgo but the o rings were the same diameter seems to work fine so far

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Good way to prime the pump is fill the new filter with oil and put it on. But no harm if you don't. There's enough oil in the system to fill the new filter w/o damage. However, I always prime as a matter of proceedure.
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