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post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 09-22-2013, 08:53 PM
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Most FWD controls wont work with the stock F and S guard....another Kawi screwup....a HORIZONTAL guard instead of a vertical one as is the norm....geez !....too much Saki that week I guess, lol....

If I still had my guard layin about, Id make a working shifter for ya bro.....no way to measure/judge now....



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The main reason i got the bike was to save gas driving to and from work . I cant drive it with my steel toe boots . I guess ill get off my lazy a** one day and fix something up.

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....get a heal/toe shifter like off a Drifter....same splines, and ya dont need to shove yer toe under....

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I hadnt thought of that sound good

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I think he is talking about bending it sideways so the shifter goes up along side the crash bar. Hoss you could use a press if you know anybody that has one

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I went back and read the OP and I think you're right bama. I think there's three options. Bend it out past the guard, fabricate a heel/toe shift lever or make a bracket that drops the peg and rotate the shifter down.

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I always thought the guard was poorly designed.... Hoss is not the first person to have problems with the shifter with the thing installed.

I though his problem was about the up/down position, not the side to side one.

Guess he can clear that up...
KM is right, my problem is vertical movement. I need the pedal between the stock spline position and the position when the shift lever is rotated one spline up. There are 32 splines on the shaft which translates into 11.25* per spline. I just went out and measured the clearance between engine guard and shift lever in the stock position and with the lever rotated one spline up, which is where it has been for the past 2 riding seasons.

With the lever rotated one spline up there is about one inch vertical movement possible before the pedal contacts the guard.
I think I need about another 1/4 inch clearance to shift reliably.
Even without the guard this position is not ideal. With the limited flexibility of my ankle and the 3/4" lift in the sole of my left shoe, I have to really concentrate to lift my toe high enough to shift. I often have to lift my foot off the peg to complete the shift. Because the pedal is so high I also have to lift my foot off the peg to downshift.

With the lever splines mounted in stock position the pedal is about 2 1/2" below the guard and has plenty of clearance to shift without contacting the guard. MY problem is that I cannot tip my injured ankle down far enough to get my toe under the pedal to lift it to upshift.

So what I need is to bend the lever forward to place the pedal about halfway between current spline positions. With the lever mounted one spline up, that should make upshifts possible without hitting the guard, and both upshifts and downshifts easier without lifting my foot off the peg.

bamafrankie, I had not thought about bending the lever sideways, but it is an option, and would only require about half an inch lateral movement.

Jakzen, I thought about a heel and toe shifter a couple of years ago, but did not see any easy way to mount a heel shifter. If bending the lever forward does not prove to be entirely satisfactory for me I may explore the heel shifter idea further.
Looking at the shifter now it may be possible to weld a heel shifter to it.
Making the heel shifter independently adjustable from the toe shifter is the real challenge.

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Honestly, if I had a bad foot....I'd just get an electric shifter:

http://pingelonline.com/eshifter.htm

Not sure if they are the only company that makes them, but seen one on a bike before for a guy that lost his left foot....

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Honestly, if I had a bad foot....I'd just get an electric shifter:

http://pingelonline.com/eshifter.htm

Not sure if they are the only company that makes them, but seen one on a bike before for a guy that lost his left foot....
That's cool - never saw one before. And no need to clutch during the shift either



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Well, I got the shift lever bend opened up enough to be able to shift now without interference from the engine guard. I may still take the engine guard off though.

The main reason I wanted it was to mount the Kury Offset highway pegs to be able to stretch my legs out a bit more. Unfortunately the curved guard does not allow the pegs to be mounted far enough forward to give me any more leg room than Ma Kaw's OEM foot pegs give me. I may take the guard off and make a triangular brackets for highway pegs out of 3/8" aluminum plate similar to the ones lance328/Ron used to make. I think it was originally Knifemaker's design. Just looking at where they will be mounted I can tell there will be several inches more leg room.

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I take back all the nasty things I said about the engine guard and offset Kury pegs in the last post.

I went back out and looked things over again and realized if I rotated the pegs down about 90* from their present position they actually would be farther away and allow me to stretch out. Yeah!!!

So now the highway pegs are positioned such that I have 3 basic feet positions to shift around on now.
First is on the stock pegs.

Second is resting my heels on the stock pegs and my size 13 feet on the highway pegs, where they are virtually covering the shifter and rear brake pedals respectively.

Third is stretched out with my feet wholly on the highway pegs.
In this position I can even reach the rear brake with my heel for slowing down.
I am going to have to practice this procedure some more when there is no traffic to see just how controllable and safe it is.
I think it is going to be ok for minor speed adjustments on the highway, but too dicey for any sort of full on quick stop.

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Glad you found a comfy spot with the crash guard brother

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