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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 08-17-2012, 10:38 PM Thread Starter
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What primer for bare metal tins?

In a previous post, I was convinced to go down to bare metal on my bikes tins. I'm jut about done all the prep. A few more spots to sand.( a little bit of bondo on the tank and some on the underside of the fenders)

Other than that, the tank and fenders are completely down to bare metal. Recently sanded them all with 400 grit sandpaper. Looks pretty good bare metal, I must say. I picked up some generic automotive primer at Canadian tire.(hardware/automotive/housewares superstore in Canada). Ive heard of self etching primers. So i asked the guy there and he told me the generic stuff would do just fine and not worry about spending the extra $ on the self etching stuff. I even told him it was bare metal.

So whats the deal? Do I need self etching, or will generic do? Also, I was wondering what to do about the under side of the fenders. I plan on getting some of the house of Kolor coaco pearl to paint. Does it make a difference what primer I go with based on my paint decision?

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I have always used "Sandable" primer for painting project involving my Vulcan with very good results but if you ask at the place you will buy the House of Kolor paint they may tell you that your finish choice needs something beyond the norm. Some of the newer final paints do require something special for a base to bring out the true effects of the top coat. That includes the "pearl" paints from what I have been told. I believe there are a few forum members with real paint experience that can give you a full and honest answer rather than rely on the people that are trying to sell you some very expensive stuff. Good luck and don't forget to post some pictures with details so the rest of us can learn and see the results.

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There are basically 3 primer shades...red, gray and black...depending on your cover choice governs you primer color...and I cant see using a self etching unless youre building a showbike with numerous layering...
Lemme know what basic color you plan to paint with, and Ill let ya know which shade of primer to use...and like Tom said...get a sandible primer...rattlecan is fine, but a quality one...



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Not a show bike, that's for sure. I bought some generic sandable primer. Gray colour. I planed on painting it a pearl base, similar to a root beer, from house of koror. Cocoa pearl to be exact. The grey primer I bought was "duplicolor, sandals primer"

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Pearl over gray should be fine...although had you used just the root beer, the red primer wouldda been better....but you should be good.......because pearl is basically a white...

Rule of thumb....

Gray primer...blues, greens, whites

Red primer...earthtones...red to brown, and yellow

Black primer...blacks and the "midnight" colors, and metalflake bases

Some may disagree with me, but Im just sharing my personal experiences...

Do 3 coats pearl, then do it up...



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I didn't spray it yet. So I could go and swap the grey for the red primer. Root beer is really close, but cocoa pearl is lighter. In your opinion, would you go with red or grey primer with cocoa?

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What would be the difference?would the finished product look a lot different if I used red or grey with the cocoa base?

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The primer helps the base (enhances)...look at it that way...if yer still gonna use the pearl as a base, then go gray....
If ya wanna just do the cocoa or root beer w/o the pearl, then go red...
And its not actually "red"...is more of an ochre...or a rust oxide...if that makes sense...that'll make the browns look deeper and richer...
You could even give a half coat of pearl over red oxide (light coat from a distance), then do the browns...that will bring out the hilights over the high spots....
I did that with a bronze once, over red oxide...then covered with a sparse copper, and highlighted a chocolate with an airbrush...was awesome in the sun...ya kinda just wanted to lick it, lol....then I hand painted black pins over that...shame I didnt have a good cam then....



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..and GoldP...check this....

http://www.jbgrafix.com/gallery.htm

He's about a 4-5 hr drive from you, and its bucks, but the man is a genious and reasonable !




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i say stick with the gray it will be easier to cover grey than red so you wont have to go with a million coats to get the color right

as for the underside how about some spray on truck bed liner if you do it right it will never rust thats for sure
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