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post #91 of 98 (permalink) Old 06-19-2010, 03:07 PM
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I ride with a FFH and am very glad that I went that route. When my tripple trees on mine came loose I did a face plant at 75mph. if I was not wearng a FFH modeling would have deffinatly been out of the game, lol
Of course a proper check of all your bikes parts could have prevented the incident all together. I doubt the triple tree just came loose without warning, but more that it was slowly working itself loose over a period of time and failing to check it regularly caused you not to know it was getting loose.

The BRC teaches you to do a thorough check of your motorcycle before every ride.

I may not do a check every single time I ride, considering I ride to work everyday and don't have the time in the morning to do such a check so early and in the dark, I do check everything over at least once a week and check the tightness of every important nut and bolt once a month at the very least.


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I think it was Mark Twain who said, "There are three kinds of lies. There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." On the report quoted a few posts back, nearly every statement begged for more explanation. I read somewhere that the average registered or licenced MC in North America is driven an average of something like 2,000 miles per year. I drive at least half that far every month in my car. Many riders use their bike as a sole or main form of transportation, and also roll on 10 or 20K miles per year. Some diehard cross-country tourers will rack up over 10k miles in a month.

Statistically this leaves a lot of bikes that only get ridden a few hundred miles in a whole year. So we have many riders who only take the bike out for a few times a year to ride to supper, or take an occasional weekend trip. Every time they mount up, it is with rusty skills, almost as a new rider. I believe the report said a motorcycle rider had a 16 times greater chance of being in an accident, than a car driver, per mile driven. The statement may very well be true, but it needs to be understood in light of the other factors involved too.

The helmet I bought while shopping for a bike 2 years ago, is a half shell, "cruiser style" painted flat black. It has provision for snapping on a face shield which covers most of my face. In the thousand miles or so I accumulated riding before my accident, I was thankful for a full windshield and face shield, along with my prescription lenses. I had more than one big old bug, or rock come around the windshield and hit either the face shield, or my chin. I was also surprised at how much sand and dirt was blown up off the road by passing vehicles, transport trucks in particular. In my accident I sailed most of the way across the barrow pit, and landed on the grass on the far side, next to the road. I took most of the force of landing on my hands and arms, but my face shield hit the ground hard enough to split it down the middle. To the best of my recollection the helmet did not strike the ground, but has only some light scratches on the back from rolling over onto my back. I will be looking for a white (HI-VIZ) modular helmet when I can ride again, but will probably still wear the half shell on nice days.

No matter what arguments or reasoning are put forward for riding w/o a helmet, I know that I am safer wearing one, and probably safest with a f/f one. Number one for protection from head trauma in a head strike in a collision, but perhaps even more important in everyday riding involving debris, sand and bugs striking the face and head.

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I rode the other day with my FFH. Haven't worn a helmet in at least two years, but I took care of this guy in ICU who broke the whole right side of his body but didn't have any brain injury due to his helmet, so I figured it was time to try my helmet once again.

Boy was I nervous! My peripheral vision was severely cut down, dangerously so. Plus it was very difficult to hear other vehicles approaching me. That said, I did feel more confident that if I were in an accident where I hit my head on the pavement or something, I would probably survive intact. The problem is that I felt more likely to get into an accident because of the impediments that the helmet imposes. Everything is a trade-off, I guess...

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Boy was I nervous! My peripheral vision was severely cut down, dangerously so. Plus it was very difficult to hear other vehicles approaching me. That said, I did feel more confident that if I were in an accident where I hit my head on the pavement or something, I would probably survive intact. The problem is that I felt more likely to get into an accident because of the impediments that the helmet imposes. Everything is a trade-off, I guess...
Some helmets are better than others as far as peripheral vision. Most well designed ones give you at least 180 degree view. Also keep in mind that the ability to distinguish what an object actualy is when it is at the edges of your vision is important, as being able to just detect movement is kinda useless if you yourself are moving.

Tests have shown that is not a good idea to keep your focus straight ahead while on the road, that not only moving your eyes left and right, but moving your head allows you to gather better information than relying on peripheral vision.

There are seveal places you can find online to guide you on how to test your peripheral vision , and I would suggest you doing them with and without a helmet. Keep in mind a difference of a few degrees can easily be changed by a very slight movemnet of ones head, so unless you have some particular vison problem, or have an older helmet with a very small visor cutout, I can not see how this should be an issue.

You must have superhuman hearing because either with or without a helmet I can not usually hear a vehicle approaching me unless I am at a dead stop and they have a rather loud vehicle.

Keep in mind here that I even wear earplugs to cut my hearing down 30-35 db while wearing a helmet and have no problem at all hearing emergency vehicles approach , car horns, or the sound of my motor.

I do understand that moving to a Full face helmet from not wearing one at all does likely make one feel a bit claustriphobic at first, but as you said, the trade off is worth the the first few weeks of strangeness you might encounter getting used to it.
But I seriously doubt that you are more likely to be in an accident becuase of " the impediments that the helmet imposes" It's really just your reaction to feeling a bit more confined, which is normal. There has been no evidence gathered to show wearing a helmet actually impedes ones ablility to ride safely, it is just "feels" that way at first.

I went through the same thing switching to armored gear. Felt like that kid in the snow suit that fell down and couldn't get up in "The Christmas Story"...

But now I feel naked without wearing my gear.

So it's just a matter of getting used to it, and it is worth the effort doing so.



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I would like to add to Knifes info on the peripheral vision,I were bifocals with no line and I when I first got them I had to learn to turn my head more rather than just moving my eyes,more than just a little.If I don't my vision will blur. I don't know if you wear glasses or not but it does help to know,actually i have found that the helmet cuts down on fatigue because I am not constantly being pounded with wind noise and road grime.




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so far ive been using an old HJC dirtbike helmet. it has the airflow of a half helmet because of not having a visor, but hars the protection of having the lower piece.
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