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Ordered the Metzler 880's/Changing my own tires

Got them for $234.98 shipped, front and rear. Went ahead and got the 110 front. My local shop won't install tires unless you buy from them, so I'm going to do em myself. (very small "yea" from the cheering section in my head) It'l be a good opportunity to see how my splines are doing and to learn first hand why it's a good deal to pay someone $30 to change a tire! I'll have to figure out how to balance them but I'm actually looking forward to it.

I got the Metz's for way cheaper than the D404's if I had my shop put them on, and the shop doesn't sell the metz's right now. Something about direct sales and how the distributor had dropped them temporarily. Anyhow, it should be fun. Advice is WELCOME!

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The hard part will be breaking the bead on the old tires.
Do you have the tools to change the tires, they sell tire spoons which make it easer, and I would recomend getting a rim saver, keeps you from scratching the rims.
Do you have a compressor to fill them, be careful when the beed sets, can take off a finger if in the wrong place.
You can balance by puting the axel thorugh the tire and bsalancing it on 2 chairs. Spin the tire slowley and mark it where it stops. to that a couple of times and see if it stops in the same place, that is the light side of the tire.
You can put weight on a little at a time and see if it helps.
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On most bike tires, there is a small dot of paint on one side of the sidewall.
Be sure to put that dot even with the valve stem. That should put the lightest part of the tire at the heaviest part of the rim.

With tubeless tires, it can be a little difficult to get both beads set enough to hold air for filling. If this is an issue, and you have a ratchet strap handy, put the strap around the diameter of the tire and tighten it down to aid in bead setting.
Sometimes you may need to put more air than reccomended to get the bead set. To help with this, be sure to use some type of lube while putting the tire on the rim. Murphy's Oil soap diluted with water (maybe a couple table spoons to a cup of water) works good. I've also heard of people using talcum powder, but that can end up being a bit messy. The lube can also help with removing the tire, so ya may need a couple of cups worth.

IMO, the toughest part is putting the tire on, especially the last few inches. Don't be in a hurry. Take little steps to get the tire over the rim and the job will be much easier.

Also, once the old tire is off the rim, be sure to clean around the bead area of the rim and check for any knicks or dings.

Oh yeah, be sure to check if the tire is directional and double check that you have it in the right direction.


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I rolled my wheels with old tires into the Honda dealer with the 2 new D404's and they charged me $ 21.50 each to dismount the old, mount & balance the new ones. Decided it wasn't worth the effort to do it myself.

I only paid $ 13X.XX for the set of D404's delivered.

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On most bike tires, there is a small dot of paint on one side of the sidewall.
Be sure to put that dot even with the valve stem. That should put the lightest part of the tire at the heaviest part of the rim.

With tubeless tires, it can be a little difficult to get both beads set enough to hold air for filling. If this is an issue, and you have a ratchet strap handy, put the strap around the diameter of the tire and tighten it down to aid in bead setting.
Sometimes you may need to put more air than reccomended to get the bead set. To help with this, be sure to use some type of lube while putting the tire on the rim. Murphy's Oil soap diluted with water (maybe a couple table spoons to a cup of water) works good. I've also heard of people using talcum powder, but that can end up being a bit messy. The lube can also help with removing the tire, so ya may need a couple of cups worth.
Thanks for the tips - I did not know that bit about the dot on the tire, and the Murphy's soap is a good trick.

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Thanks for the tips! Didn't know about the dot either.
Jon, my local shop won't mount tires unless you buy them there, so I thought I'd save some money and do it myself, and try the Metz's. Their price for the D404's with mounting and tax was $301. That's why I'm trying the Metzlers. And trying the mounting.

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You'll be happy with the Metz's fergy, I loved 'em when I went with them on my last tire change...

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Thanks for the tips! Didn't know about the dot either.
Jon, my local shop won't mount tires unless you buy them there, so I thought I'd save some money and do it myself, and try the Metz's. Their price for the D404's with mounting and tax was $301. That's why I'm trying the Metzlers. And trying the mounting.
I look forward to a write-up on the tire change! Did you have 404's before? If so, like to hear your thoughts on the comparison between the Metz and the 404's.

Did the 404's go up in price? They are standard equipment on all new HD's (just say HD i/o Dunlop), perhaps they inflated the prices to go with the inflated prices on the HD's?

Funny, all the shops I called said they would do it even if I did not buy the tires there, just some changed MORE than others.

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so I thought I'd save some money and do it myself,
Like I said, just take your time.
It works out ALOT better (easier) if you only manage to get 1/2 inch at a time on the rim instead of trying to get a whole lot at once.

And be careful with the tire spoons. They can slip unexpectedly and either send your knuckles into the wheel, or send the spoon flying. Not to discourage ya from trying it, just use caution.
The more times ya do it, the easier it gets.

HERE is an online article I found on tire changes.
It does say ....
This document is very large -- it's only around 64k of HTML, but it contains about 740k of inline JPEG graphics and many more as links. This will take people on dialup connections at least couple of days to download. (Sorry!)


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I got my Metz last summer and still have not installed them. I am most likely going to bring it to the local motorcycle shop myself.

Take your time and take lots of pictures too!


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