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No gears just neutral

Well, after finally having a nice day with no chores to impede me taking a ride, it left me stranded. Pulled up to a stop sign and down shifted to what should have been 1st and I noticed it was in neutral. Won't go to any gear at all. Acts like a limp ****. No indication of it catching any gears anywhere. The neutral light remains on at all times. Bike runs great and sounds great but won't go anywhere now. I suppose I'll see what I can find and fix it and get rid of it after this. Too much bs with this bike and it's sad since when it running it's great and it looks awesome. But I refuse to be stranded and this is the first bike that has ever done that to me that couldn't be fixed on the spot and rode on home.

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Well, after finally having a nice day with no chores to impede me taking a ride, it left me stranded. Pulled up to a stop sign and down shifted to what should have been 1st and I noticed it was in neutral. Won't go to any gear at all. Acts like a limp ****. No indication of it catching any gears anywhere. The neutral light remains on at all times. Bike runs great and sounds great but won't go anywhere now. I suppose I'll see what I can find and fix it and get rid of it after this. Too much bs with this bike and it's sad since when it running it's great and it looks awesome. But I refuse to be stranded and this is the first bike that has ever done that to me that couldn't be fixed on the spot and rode on home.

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Sounds like the tie-rod between the shift lever shaft and the change lever shaft is broken. It is a known weak spot on earlier model bikes. It was superceded sometime in the mid `90s.

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Sounds like the spring for the pawl for the shifter strikes again. I was reading about this before, never had it happen to me. Someone will probably chime in on this for you. Good luck, should be a simple fix.

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Well, I'm a little more settled down now. I'll have to look into both possibilities concerning this issue. What is strange is that when I DO try to shift, it is very very loose but the shift lever does go back to position.

What the heck is the "pawl spring for the shifter"? Looked at the schematic for the shifter on Bike Bandit and didn't see anything called that. But will look again. Thanks

It does feel as though something has either broken or come completely loose.

I have the knawing feeling I'll be pulling the engine. If that is the case this bike will be down for quite some time as honey do's are stacked in front of bike repairs.
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I guess my biggest concern is that I'll have to be tearing into the bike so deep. From what I can tell so far, I'll have to pull the engine out just to get to the shifting mechanisms. Unless, someone has some brilliant ideas (which wouldn't surprise me) of getting this done without the huge job.
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Sounds like the spring for the pawl for the shifter strikes again. I was reading about this before, never had it happen to me. Someone will probably chime in on this for you. Good luck, should be a simple fix.
Ok, I have not dismantled anything on the engine myself, BUT if shark is right, I believe this can be an easy fix.
1- Drop the oil
2- remove the left side external shift mechanism cover (with the oil level sight glass in it). Held by 6 cap screws I believe. Be careful with the gasket, but you will probably need a new one to reassemble.

The pawl is reference #13165 in the diagram in the link above.
the spring is ref.# 92081A

Not sure if the spring is likely to be broken or just fallen off.

I remember reading in an old post that someone built up worn tips on the pawl by welding with a MIG or TIG welder. So check the tips too.

The parts under this cover are the only tranny parts accesible without splitting the engine cases.

I hope it is this spring and not the tie-rod. Much easier repair.

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F&S luggage rack and engine guard
Kury Offset Hiway pegs
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Well, I'm a little more settled down now. I'll have to look into both possibilities concerning this issue. What is strange is that when I DO try to shift, it is very very loose but the shift lever does go back to position.
What the heck is the "pawl spring for the shifter"? Looked at the schematic for the shifter on Bike Bandit and didn't see anything called that. But will look again. Thanks

It does feel as though something has either broken or come completely loose.

I have the knawing feeling I'll be pulling the engine. If that is the case this bike will be down for quite some time as honey do's are stacked in front of bike repairs.
The fact that the shift lever return to it`s normal postion indicates to me that the tie-rod probably is not broken.
The spring ref# 92081B appears to be the one resisting the shift lever in the diagram.

shark88`s diagnosis is looking even better to me now.

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Purchased May 16, 2008
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H-D windshield
Relocated R/R
MF-AGM battery
Fiamm Freeway Blaster horns
F&S luggage rack and engine guard
Kury Offset Hiway pegs
July 13, 2016, Riding on the DARKSIDE now, Classic Radial 165/80-15


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Mine with similar symptoms was as OlHossCanada describes. It was indeed the spring labeled 92081A, and it had just lost its springiness, for lack of a better explanation. While the cover can't come all the way off with everything else in place and some dexterity is needed to do the necessary manipulations with the cover hanging, it is not necessary to move the engine or the shaft.
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Well, I'm a little more settled down now. I'll have to look into both possibilities concerning this issue. What is strange is that when I DO try to shift, it is very very loose but the shift lever does go back to position.

What the heck is the "pawl spring for the shifter"? Looked at the schematic for the shifter on Bike Bandit and didn't see anything called that. But will look again. Thanks

It does feel as though something has either broken or come completely loose.

I have the knawing feeling I'll be pulling the engine. If that is the case this bike will be down for quite some time as honey do's are stacked in front of bike repairs.
time to play the "gas prices" card!

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one other thing to check... on the shifter.. make sure you only have about 1/4 inch play in it.. no more than that.. when I say play I mean slideing it in and out of the engine.. there are cerclips that can come off or slide.. you can use a small hose clamp to hold the shifter in place untill you have time to pull the engine.
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