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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 09-24-2006, 06:22 PM Thread Starter
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Why use Sea Foam explained....

Hey all, At work we sometimes pass magazines from one to another when we see something that someone else might be interested in. Well a felow rider passed me a copy of Road Bike ( Oct 06 ) because of the cover bike.... Bad Boy Kaw ZX-14!! SWEET...

But what really caught my eye was on the top of the cover... "Fuel risk - how bad is Ethanol for your motorcycle"

They go on to show a float valve that has been exposed to ethanol next to a new one, and it is plain to see why they "stick".

They go on to explain that since it is an Alcohol and it attracts moisture then that does not help with our carb'd motors. Most of what they learned was from shops doing more than the usual amount of carb jobs!

I seem to remember seeing on the pumps at one time posted that it was an Ethanol mixed fuel... may have said how much ( 10 - 15 % ) and if you live in a high wumid area then the more mosture it will attract.

So using Sea Foam not only cleans the fuel system it also keeps the Ethanol better suspended in the fuel to minimize it effects. They list another sabilizer from Maxima Racing Oils http://www.maximausa.com on one of thier products, thier suggested use is 1 oz to 1 gal mix ( rich ) to 1 oz to 2.5 gal ( norm ) and the rep from that company says that fuel stablizers use has gone up in the past few years!

So check the fuel that you are putting in and the more humid your area is... the more you should be using Sea Foam!! Even if you live in a dry climate, but still use gas with Ethanol, it would still be wise to keep it on hand!

http://www.roadbikemag.com/ To see or get a copy for yourself just so you know what I was reading.

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I think they are just starting to, or getting ready to, use Ethanol here in PA.
I'll certainly keep this article in mind. Thanks


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Shell puts ethanol in their gas here in coastal Texas and in most of the Gulf Coast states that I've traveled in.
Most gas in California has it as well. They call it "oxygenated" but it's still ethanol.
The real bad boy is methanol (wood alcohol).

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I look at it this way.... "any" alcohol is bad..

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Hard to say how ethanol will effect carbed bikes in the long run. Here in Ia we have had it since the early 80's. Cars run just fine on it but I only used it for a short time in one of my bikes a CSR 305 and it ran over 2000 rpms just find but would not idle worth a crap on that stuff. I have have a friend with a V-star with over 30,000 miles on it and it has only had ethanol put in and it runs like a champ but it has been rejetted and that might be why it runs so good.

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Going by the artical.. many factors may come into play... storage time, humidity,percent of ethanol.... FI bikes? It is not end all for why..... but one of possably many reasons. Find a copy and read it for yourself.

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Quoted from a news report on an Austin tv news station earlier this week:

"Consumer Reports did a study on ethanol's fuel efficiency using a Chevy Tahoe and found out that the miles per gallon actually dropped from 14, down to 10.

Drivers we talked to also noticed that while ethanol burns cleaner, it also burns a bit faster.

"There's probably a little bit of difference there, but when you look at savings in cost, it balances out," Bell said.

"We'll continue to keep it at 30 cents per gallon below the regular unleaded price," Lockett said."


So, let's do some math. Using the Consumer Reports numbers with the Chevy Tahoe, if it can get 14 mpg using regular unleaded, for simplicity, we'll use 200 miles for our test. 200 miles divided by 14 is 14.28 gallons of gas. Multiply that by $2.35 a gallon and it comes to $33.55 for gas for that 200 mile trip.

Same Tahoe using Ethanol getting 10 mpg means that it takes 20 gallons to go 200 miles. Multiply 20 gallons by $2.05 and it costs $41 for the same 200 mile trip! Idiots! Oh yeah, did I mention IDIOTS!

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Fergy, the most striking thing here is the vehicle in question - Chevy Tahoe.
If you care for gas/milage why would you drive that pile in a first place?

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OK, now why is it that SeaFoam is better than ethanol, and why should we use it? IS alcohol bad, or isn't it? Seems like the article is saying not to use seafoam.

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Fergy, the most striking thing here is the wehicle in question - Chevy Tahoe.
If you care for gas/milage why would you drive that pile in a first place?
Not really sure, but consumer reports usually doesn't do things that make real sense. I'd like to see numbers on a vehicle that can get at least 20 mpg on unleaded and how that compares to ethanol.

Ernie, I think the article is saying that seafoam helps offset the poor characteristics of the ethanol, making it burn a little better. Problem with ethanol, alcohol has a very high surface tension so it doesn't vaporize very well, so when it's mixed with gasoline, it causes a lot of unburned fuel droplets to escape through the exhaust. Other tests I have read showed that the vehicles burning ethanol had worse emissions than vehicles burning regular gasoline! The whole idea behind ethanol is $$$. They present it as a fuel that we can produce which will "save the world" and not deplete the oil resources, but in reality, it does more damage to the environment than burning gas does.

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