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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 02-07-2012, 10:19 AM Thread Starter
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HELP ME PLEASE!!! Tire wear is awful +++ !!!!

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guess i shouldnt be hard on the 404's.................naaaaaaaaaa if i wanted to ride easy i would have bought a harley
centurynick, my 401 did much better than the 404...
Sorry but I did post in 2 different places... But...
HELP ME PLEASE!!! Well I hate to say this, but don't put that 404 on a Harley, at least not mine...
Seriously, I do need some help on a rear tire & pronto... I thought pretty good about the Dunlops after getting +/- 8k on my OEM 401 rear, but went to a Metzler ME880 on the 2nd rear and only got +/-6k out of it, so on my 3rd rear tire I went back to the Dunlop, but a 404, This piece of crap is gone, I mean slick as a babies rear in the center, not slight tread, but slick in 2,150 mi., yes I said just slightly over 2k...
And no nothing is rubbing or out of line...
I love ridin the twisties but need to go to a harder compound, folks that is about $0.10 per mile for rear tires when you count mounting and balancing...
I am considering these tires right now, and need to get one on order pronto, mostly its #1 wear then #2 stick and then #3 the dollar...
Tire size is 150/80/16

Avon AM42 Venom
Michelin Commander II
Dunlop 401 H D Series
Dunlop K591 HD Series
Maybe even try another Metzler

Which of these (or other) would give the best milage, I don't know how to tell which is softer and which is the harder compound...??? Are the speed rated tires softer or harder...???
I really need some help with picking a tire that will get me some milage...
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The 404 is a fairly cheap tire, the main good thing about it is that it is available in a lot of sizes to fit older bikes. If a better tire will fit properly, use it. I get about 18K out of ME880s on the Vulcan 750.

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Personally, I'd pick the Venom. Or just buy a stack of Shinko's....

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I'm not sure there is a harder tire than the ME-880, I get up towards 20K out of them. I'm guessing you're a big guy, you like to take of fast and use a lot of engine braking. There's not a lot you can do, except learn to change and balance tires yourself, otherwise life would be no fun at all! Try the Shinkos, but in your situation, you'll probably only get 5-7K out of them.

The speed rating comes from the ply construction, not the compound.

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Personally, I'd pick the Venom. Or just buy a stack of Shinko's....
Ha, ha, I think I'm already on the dark side here ridin a Sportster...lol...
I am kinda leaning toward the Venom, or maybe the Michelin Commander II, they are claiming some good milage with it... I know for sure I won't go with the 404 Dunlop...

Kelly2001, you are about right, but I am too old to change, you know the sayin, "You can't teach an old dog new tricks"...lol... You are also about right on the Metzler ME-880, I got around +/-6K out of it...

I can't find any personal reviews on the Michelin but here is the company biased review...lol...

"Commissioned third-party tests* show that the MICHELIN Commander II rear tire lasts almost twice as long as its main competitors*

*Tests conducted by Texas Test Fleet in 2011 on public roads comparing MICHELIN Commander II, Metzeler ME880 and Dunlop D407/408 in sizes 130/80 B 17 (front) and 180/65 B 16 (rear). Individual results may vary depending on motorcycle type and operating conditions."


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OK-I just ordered the Michelin Commander II 150/80/16 rear tire for my Sportster (don't fit the VN750)... Well, I like Michelin car & PU tires...lol...
Hey, it looks good, lot of meat in the contact area, and the price is good, so I'll try it, it can't be worse than the 404, can it...lol...
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...Rear-Tire.aspx
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Ha, ha, I think I'm already on the dark side here ridin a Sportster...lol...
I am kinda leaning toward the Venom, or maybe the Michelin Commander II, they are claiming some good milage with it... I know for sure I won't go with the 404 Dunlop...

Kelly2001, you are about right, but I am too old to change, you know the sayin, "You can't teach an old dog new tricks"...lol... You are also about right on the Metzler ME-880, I got around +/-6K out of it...

I can't find any personal reviews on the Michelin but here is the company biased review...lol...

"Commissioned third-party tests* show that the MICHELIN Commander II rear tire lasts almost twice as long as its main competitors*

*Tests conducted by Texas Test Fleet in 2011 on public roads comparing MICHELIN Commander II, Metzeler ME880 and Dunlop D407/408 in sizes 130/80 B 17 (front) and 180/65 B 16 (rear). Individual results may vary depending on motorcycle type and operating conditions."


Thanks, and have a good one...Old Dog...
I had wear problems out of the 404,about the same kind of mileage you got,It took a lot of talking but some other riders convinced me to buy an Elite 3 by Dunlop,actually a set of them.After abut the same mileage the 404 was like yours ,you can't tell these are even starting to wear! and they handle pretty good too,even on wet pavement.

I have heard good things about the Commanders too,It seems with Dunlop that you do get what you pay for.So far,So good,I would recommend the Elite 3 and it comes either bias ply or radial.




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Got 14,000 miles on my rear Pirelli MT 66 tire. Front one is still on.

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Denny, I called and talked to the people at Motorcycle Super store and they seemed to think that the Michelin Commander would do good by me, and it was reasonable at $130... I know Dunlop has better tires than the 404 because the 401 OEM was good... I had just took the cheap route when I bought the 404, it looks just like the 401 and I thought it was just a rip, not so, the 401 is well worth the difference in price over the 404, at least in my opinion...

flitecontrol, I would be jumping with joy at that 14k milage from a rear, I might get that out of a front, but not a rear...
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OD, I've been using D404 front and rear for many years. I have always gotten more than 8000 miles out of them and I run them hard. A very high percentage of bikes around here run on 404s. I would have Dunlop check out your tires. Something is not right.

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