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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 09-10-2010, 09:31 PM Thread Starter
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No more loud pipes in Greece

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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old 09-10-2010, 10:34 PM
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So now I guess the saying will be "Loud pipes lose money" or, Loud pipes are irritating", or my personal favorite, "Loud pipes attract Fuzz"!

Not a problem for my stock exhaust.

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I would make them produce their decibel meter and recreate the proper test for motorcycle exhaust volume. most local officers do not carry decibel meters and their calibrated ear will not stand in court a passing 18 wheeler actually is about 90db. in most localities the residential noise ordinance is around 55db my tires on my truck make more noise as do most passing vehicles


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the tards cant reguilate people talking on the phones and not paying attention and then pulling out in front of me . i would rather have them here me comeing rather then not

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In Washington State, troopers can check the EPA stamp and VIN number. If they don't match, you get a ticket. No need to test for db.

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mine has all the epa markings cleanly welded straight pipes where the goats belly used to be and all the factory heat shields are there unless you know what our exhaust is supposed to look like mine looks factory. but loud as hell


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I didn't read the entire article, but did read where it said the allowable db level is 80.
But according to the AMA, for NY......
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Maximum Allowable A-Weighted Sound Levels at Speed: 35 mph or less, 82 dB(A); over 35 mph, 86 dB(A), measured at, or adjusted to, a distance of fifty feet from the center of the lane in which the motorcycle is traveling. Ref: NYS Vehicle & Traffic Law, Article 10, Section 386.


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Joe,
Db meters are not much bigger than a cell phone so having the cops keep one in the car won't be an issue.

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Like most state regulations the municipality can institute a law or reg that is more stringent than the state regs but not one that is less. So it doesn't matter what the state law says.

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my expierence with the police and db meters comes from doing sound reinforcement for outdoor concerts and being told I was too loud and the responding officers not being able to produce a meter I had to rely on their calibrated ears and noise complaints to the point I purchased a meter you would not believe how aggrivated an officer gets when he tells you to turn it down you are getting complaints and you tell him you are operating within the parameters of the noise ordinance.


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I didn't read the entire article, but did read where it said the allowable db level is 80.
But according to the AMA, for NY......
First off , you can't pick a specific db level unless you provide specific data on exactly where and how a meter is to be placed...not to mention the placement of the bike itself.

The AMA specs are for a moving vehicle, on the road, and are to be taken when the bike passes a point X feet from the meter. The concept of the police using a decibil meter on a parked bike without any way to measure the distance of the meter from the bikes exhaust, is rather silly. Numbers here would be meaningless. This was argued over in Colorado a few years back and the upshot was not to rely on officers training , or lack there of, on using a decibil meter, but to simply issue tickets for "non stock" exhausts that "seem to be louder" than normal. Still kinda sketchy though....lol.

As many of you know, I personally hate loud pipes. However, the idea of "checkpoints" that single out all bikers to check their pipes, regardless if they show signs of being illeagal, borders on fascism.
And yes, you can gut your stock pipes so they are really loud, but still display the EPA stamp. So really not sure what the best criteria would be for law enforcement to use to make that judgement.

I do know that one can tell from just being in proximity of a bike whether it is too loud or not, but to make a law that one can enforce you can not go by "opinion", so not sure what to do other than train officers to know what to look for in altered exhausts, and establish a user friendly guide for use of a sound meter.

So, more than likely, some unfair , but usable criteria will be developed , and will be slowly taken in by state to state, making it impossible for any rider to alter his exhaust, buy an aftermarket one that does not carry an EPA approved stamp, and create a pure custom bike exhaust without spending loads of $$$$ to get it "approved".

AND you all have no one to blame it on but all those azzholes with excessively loud pipes. I told you so.

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