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Hydrogen powered Vulcans

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I just got word that my lifelong friend has received a patent on his HHO device that produces approximately 100mpg of water. He has implemented it on a plymouth and it runs excellent. He will be posting pics soon on his website. I asked him if he will do this for Vulcan 750's and he says he will be making motorcycle models. Hopefully he will give us a discount. Its called the "Tucker Super Cell". In honor of Preston Tucker who is the great uncle of my friends partner. Perhaps you have heard of him? We shall see. Here is his websites link. He will keep me posted.
http://inventionrnd.yolasite.com/

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Kimmerling, I'm not saying that this is the same thing, but...

HHO is also called dihydrogen oxide, which is H2O which is water. A few years ago the state of California was duped (or almost duped) into spending millions of dollars to combat the "carcinogenic effects of dihydrogen oxide" in reservoirs because of a website's advertising.

Splitting H2O into the separate gases of hydrogen and oxygen was something I did in high school chemistry class. We took a beaker of water, placed an electrically charged cathode and annode into the beaker with an upside-down test tube over each, and collected the gasses into the test tubes. After a while we allowed the two test tubes to touch their open faces together to allow the gasses to mix, and POW, a small explosion occured and the gasses formed water again. This explosion is what could make the piston of a car move. So in theory, water could be separated into it's separate gasses, then allowed to re-mix and drive an engine, with water as the waste product.

Problem is it takes too much energy to separate the gasses, and it would be more efficient to run the engine on that electrical energy rather than going through the process described above.

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Wow. It sounds like the similar process...but unclear as to the electrical loss. Of course...I have to see it to believe it. We shall see. I am curious to see how they circumnavigated this dilemma...or not.

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Wow. It sounds like the similar process...but unclear as to the electrical loss. Of course...I have to see it to believe it. We shall see. I am curious to see how they circumnavigated this dilemma...or not.
I believe the process of separating the hydrogen atoms from the oxygen atom uses more electricity/energy than you get from burning the hydrogen as fuel or recombining them into water. In theory, I believe the best you could do is break even.

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Well you won't break even. There is always some loss in any system, and the biggest loss when burning hydrogen would be from the heat generated.

Not really sure what your freind is selling here, but it just sounds to me like yet another variation on the perpetual motion concept. The simplist was a small motor that turned a generator...which had its output plugged into the electric motor to form a loop. You can get it going by spinning it by hand, but the problem is it just runs down and stops because you can't get more engergy out of a system than you put in, and in fact you can't even get the same amount because there will always be energy robbing aspects ... like friction.

There are Hydorgen fuel cell motors that run on hydrogen gas...that you fill up with just like gasoline... but you are correct that the amount of engergy needed to produce hydrogen from water inside a car would be alot more than if you just used that energy to turn a much more efficiant electric motor as opposed to burning it as fuel. The water of course would also just add more weight to the vehicle and take up space. If you used that space for more batteries instead you'd again be more efficiant.

The only way that water could be used successfully to power an car would be to heat it in a nuclear reactor. I kinda doubt the Dept of Energy and The DOT would allow us to drive around with plutonium in our cars or bikes.

I am not doubting that one can make a car run on water that is broken down into Hydrogen and Oxygen gas which in turn is burned to provide forward motion. It is just that it would be about as efficiant as building a car that runs on wound up rubberbands.....or a few hundred hamster treadmills......


And hydrogen and oxygen do not explode when combined...you still need an ignition source.

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A few years ago the state of California was duped (or almost duped) into spending millions of dollars to combat the "carcinogenic effects of dihydrogen oxide" in reservoirs because of a website's advertising.
This is surely an urban myth?

Although, it is California...

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I've heard tell of certain bikes that have been methane powered when their riders have stopped by a local burrito stand.

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The only way that water could be used successfully to power an car would be to heat it in a nuclear reactor. I kinda doubt the Dept of Energy and The DOT would allow us to drive around with plutonium in our cars or bikes.
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Of course, it's strictly powered by whatever is being used to evaporate the steam, but for the sake of discussion...
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All good points. They will have to prove themselves for sure. It will be interesting to see what takes place.

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A few years ago the state of California was duped (or almost duped) into spending millions of dollars to combat the "carcinogenic effects of dihydrogen oxide" in reservoirs because of a website's advertising.
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This is surely an urban myth?

Although, it is California...
Read THIS LINK from Wikipedia. Scroll down to the "Public efforts involving DHMO" (Dihydrogen Monoxide) and you will see this entry:

In March 2004, Aliso Viejo, California almost considered banning the use of foam containers at city-sponsored events because dihydrogen monoxide is part of their production. A paralegal had asked the city council to put it on the agenda; he later attributed it to poor research.[13] The law was pulled from the agenda before it could come to a vote, but not before the city received a raft of bad publicity.[4]

I may have been wrong, it may not have been reservoirs but foam containers that were almost banned. But I think it may also have been two separate episodes. Either way, it was all a hoax!

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