: Accurate Speedo
vn750angky 06-21-2006, 11:36 PM Sure would like to get an accurate speedometer.
Checked with Kawasaki, they said the speedo is intentionally up to 10% off. This is to avoid lawsuits from people who push the speed limit.
But I sure would like to know just how fast I'm going. Changing the gear size would work, but don't know where to get such. Kawasaki won't provide one.
Anybody know how to fix this?
Angky.
hyperbuzzin 06-22-2006, 02:52 AM Ya could get one of those electronic bicycle computers. They work off of a magnet. You'd have to figure out how to mount it (the magnet) into one of the holes in the brake rotor, then mount the sensor to be within close proximity to it as it rotates.
Then you would just have to figure out what the variable is that needs to be entered into the unit to give accurate readings.
I know a few dirtbikers that have done this, but I'm not sure about streetbikers. But it should work.
Loran in Npvl IL 06-22-2006, 08:55 AM Some riders have went with a larger front tire, 110/90 to get the speedo more accurate. One complained the gas milage dropped after changing tires and forgot the 110 tire would make the math different.
InsuredDisaster 06-22-2006, 09:16 AM I don't know about anyone else, but I was riding at 80 mph the other day, and 70 mph, and as I road along, I noted where the odometer went to a new number in relation to the road mile markers. 10 miles later, it appeared to be exactly in the same place. Are the road markers spaced at a mile apart?
Rubline 06-22-2006, 10:12 AM The markers are spaced every 2/10ths of a mile. And to answer the question about re-gearing the Vulcan, there are no parts available to re-gear.
vn750angky 06-22-2006, 10:18 PM Interesting concept! Hadn't heard about such a device.
InsuredDisaster 06-23-2006, 12:04 AM 2/10's of amile? I'm not sure what you mean, as around here they go 245, 246, 247, etc, and seem to be a mile apart. Are they different where you live? I've seen some markers spaced every half mile in chicago, but not on most interstates. I'm just curious if they are exactly one mile apart or 9.5/10's here and 1 1/10 here, etc.
hyperbuzzin 06-23-2006, 03:49 AM Interesting concept! Hadn't heard about such a device.
There is one more for motorcycles. Couldn't think of the name in my last post,
but remember it now.
Panoram Trail Tech. There's one HERE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Panoram-Trail-Tech-17-Function-Motorcycle-Computer_W0QQitemZ4652304868QQihZ002QQcategoryZ355 94QQssPageNameZWD6VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) on ebay.
They usually seem to go for about $60 +.
I copied this from the auction ....
"Odometer, distance, maintenance functions, trip time, trip mileage, average speed, maximum speed, speed pacing, clock, MPH, and Kilometers/Hour. An EL lamp is equiped for night vision. Has auto sleep function for battery power saving. The unit has four seperate screens for precise information management. Using a multi angle clip, the unit can be mounted on all types of handlebars."
Woody 06-23-2006, 06:12 AM Get a small hand held GPS and take it with you and check it against your speedo, not the best way but at least you'll know exactly how far you are off.
wwmkwood 06-23-2006, 08:43 AM Mile markers on the side of the highway are 1 mile apart. They start on the West and South boarder of each state.
My GPS tells me I am actually going about 10% slower than the speedometer says I'm going. That applies to all speeds from 20MPH to 100MPH.
dan
fergy 06-23-2006, 06:25 PM I'm trying to remember where, but I'm thinking it was on I-44 there in Missouri where I noticed the mile markers were every 2 tenths instead of every mile. That's the first I've ever seen of it.
http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/media/read_road/chapter6.htm
I do believe "mile markers" on Interstate Highways in the U.S. are exactly one mile apart.
InsuredDisaster 06-24-2006, 10:10 AM Then I'm guessing my spedometer is pretty darned accurate then if they are exactly 1 mile apart, as my odemeter keeps ticking one mile every time I pass a mile marker. Thought Maybe I'll scrounge up a GPS and test it.
Woody 06-24-2006, 04:01 PM Got gas in my truck last night and it was exactly 1.5 miles to my door, filled up the bike this morning at the same pump and got home pleased to see the bike read 1.5 also.
cegodsey 06-24-2006, 04:51 PM I always thought my speedo was wrong. I'd be on the interstate and get passed by grannies. I'm not going to worry about it. But, good to know.
I just read the road report for the new KAW900 and they noted the speedometer is somewhere between 8% and 10% off, just like the VN750. Seems stupid to me. I would like to know how in the hell fast I'm going without having to do arithmetic.
Then I'm guessing my spedometer is pretty darned accurate then if they are exactly 1 mile apart, as my odemeter keeps ticking one mile every time I pass a mile marker. Thought Maybe I'll scrounge up a GPS and test it.
My understanding is that the ODOmeter is pretty accurate. It's the SPEEDometer that is off by close to 10%. And putting the 110 tire on the front makes the speedometer pretty darn close, too.
fergy 07-27-2006, 02:30 PM Hey Pick, good to see you over here!
After all the speedo talk, I borrowed a GPS a couple weeks ago and my speedo is off by close to 5 mph at 70, down to around 50, then it's off a little less the slower you go. So, I just subtract 5 when I'm looking at the speedo.
EasyRector 09-06-2009, 11:52 PM I tested my speed with a GPS for the first time the other night.
* speedo 30, GPS 29
* speedo 60, GPS 57
* speedo 70, GPS 65
* speedo 80, GPS 75
niterider 09-07-2009, 12:12 AM Mine at 70 gps miles the speedo says 78 mph.
kanuck69 09-07-2009, 12:55 AM My understanding is that the ODOmeter is pretty accurate. It's the SPEEDometer that is off by close to 10%. And putting the 110 tire on the front makes the speedometer pretty darn close, too.
Your right. The odometer is acurate but it's counting wrong if the spedometer is wrong. The same cable feed runs both. When you go to the larger tire size the spedometer was only off 2mph & the odometer was about a tenth of a mile off. Pretty damb close to dead nuts. This also will give you a more acurate mpg rating. The math is the same it's the results that differ.:smiley_th
AKVulcan 09-07-2009, 02:56 AM Pointing straight up at 70mph indicated on the dial, is actually 65mph according to my GPS.
VN750_DawgsFan 09-07-2009, 11:33 AM I put the 110 tire on, so I'm guessing from what others have said, I should be pretty close to dead on but I haven't had a chance to use a GPS to see how close I am now. A few people on here have also said that putting the 170 on the rear, in addition to the 110 on the front will also help get you closer to an accurate reading.
Knifemaker 09-07-2009, 12:27 PM I put the 110 tire on, so I'm guessing from what others have said, I should be pretty close to dead on but I haven't had a chance to use a GPS to see how close I am now. A few people on here have also said that putting the 170 on the rear, in addition to the 110 on the front will also help get you closer to an accurate reading.
The speedometer runs off the FRONT wheel, so what size rear you have on will make absolutely no difference. The only effect in using a different sized rear would be off the tach, as it would effect your RPM verses MPH figure.
But changing just the rear size would do nothing for the speedometer discrepency.
KM
OlHossCanada 09-07-2009, 03:23 PM My understanding is that the ODOmeter is pretty accurate. It's the SPEEDometer that is off by close to 10%. And putting the 110 tire on the front makes the speedometer pretty darn close, too.
Judging from all the speedo comparisons here, and from what Pick says about the odometer being pretty accurate, it is very possible that Kawasaki geared the odometer to be accurate with the stock size tires, and the speedo to read higher than actual speed.
Therefore if you go to a 110/90-19 front tire with a larger diameter and circumference, the tire will rotate fewer times in traveling a mile, and give a slower, but more accurate reading on the odometer. It will also give a shorter, but less accurate distance travelled on the odometer.
In calculating your fuel economy then, the odometer will register fewer miles traveled than it did over the same distance with the stock tires. To get a fair comparison with your previous mpg calculation, you need to multiply the new fuel economy calculation by the percentage increase in tire diameter or circumference.
For example, simplified and in round numbers if you were previously getting 42 mpg with the 100/90 tire, according to odometer reading, and now with the 110/90 tire you are getting only 40 mpg. If the circumference has increased by 5% you multiply 40 mpg x 1.05 which equals 42 mpg, which is the same as before.
Changing the rear tire to a 170/80-15 will also give you a larger diameter and circumference, so that at any given speed shown on the speedo, the tach will show a slower engine speed. It might be perhaps 500 rpm slower while cruising at 60 mph. This would tend to improve your fuel economy. As KnifeMaker noted, changing the size of the rear tire has no direct effect on the speedometer reading, only the tach.
junkyardroad 09-07-2009, 10:21 PM The odometer is acurate but it's counting wrong if the spedometer is wrong. The same cable feed runs both
Nope. The cable turns a gear that in turn moves the odometer. The cable also spins a magnet in a ferrous cup that in turn moves the needle.
My 86 speedo is off about 2 mph according to my Garmin V gps over 600 miles, and the odo is off by about 5 miles.
I always check the handlebar mount gps for real speed, a quick glance at the speedo as a general guide.
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